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Posted on 07/21/2015 4:48:44 PM PDT by Salvation
God would not allow the Israelites to live in the promised land unless they were faithful to the covenant God had made with Abraham..... Circumsion was ‘Abrahams part’ of the deal that they would indeed keep that covenant.....It ‘symbolized’ something ‘internal’....
God described idolatry and disobedience as a result of an uncircumcised heart... he described repentance as a circumcision of the heart..... This ‘spiritual meaning’ did not eliminate the need for the physical practice... the Israelites were to obey both the ‘letter of the law’ AND ‘its symbolic meaning’.....
However.... A man is one of Gods people if he is ‘inwardly’ circumcised, since the real circumcision is a spiritual matter, of the heart,.... not by the written code ....Paul explained that it is wrong to view physical circumcision as necessary, because that would imply that faith in Christ was not enough..... If you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all.
It is only through the blood of Christ, they have been brought near to God...... In Jesus own flesh, by his own obedience ‘to old covenant rules’ (law), he has ‘abolished the commandments and regulations that had separated Jews from Gentiles....which included the practice of circumcision as the outward “symbol of the law.
Leviticus 26:41..Deuteronomy 10:16;30:6...Galatians 5:2...Ephesians 2:11-13
God would not allow the Israelites to live in the promised land unless they were faithful to the covenant God had made with Abraham..... Circumsion was ‘Abrahams part’ of the deal that they would indeed keep that covenant.....It ‘symbolized’ something ‘internal’....
God described idolatry and disobedience as a result of an uncircumcised heart... he described repentance as a circumcision of the heart..... This ‘spiritual meaning’ did not eliminate the need for the physical practice... the Israelites were to obey both the ‘letter of the law’ AND ‘its symbolic meaning’.....
However.... A man is one of Gods people if he is ‘inwardly’ circumcised, since the real circumcision is a spiritual matter, of the heart,.... not by the written code ....Paul explained that it is wrong to view physical circumcision as necessary, because that would imply that faith in Christ was not enough..... If you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all.
It is only through the blood of Christ, they have been brought near to God...... In Jesus own flesh, by his own obedience ‘to old covenant rules’ (law), he has ‘abolished the commandments and regulations that had separated Jews from Gentiles....which included the practice of circumcision as the outward “symbol of the law.
Leviticus 26:41..Deuteronomy 10:16;30:6...Galatians 5:2...Ephesians 2:11-13
I like these, your words.
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Do we need to take up a collection to get you a Bible?
Rev.20
[1] And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
[2] And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
[3] And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
[4]And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
[5] But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
(we're not talking about them, This is the first resurrection we're talking about now.)
[6] Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
(the same thousand years that the "rest of the dead" have to wait through before being sent to judgment, and the second death)
[7] And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
(now we're going to talk about "the rest of the dead")
[8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
[9] And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
[10] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
[11] And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
[12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
[14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Thanks for your post. BRAVO!
I am completely IN AGREEMENT with you.
Yesterday, I gave my opinion in a PM directly to management.
I also expected to be banned. I wasn’t. You probably won’t, either.
Like you, I have been stretched in the process of preparing responses (and reading posts) on these RF threads.
As I said yesterday, I am personally “determined to not even get close to ‘making it personal’ I believe ‘making it personal’ is the equivalent to ‘bashing’ but I am left to make my own interpretation of [the new] mandate. Im not even going to use the word ‘********’ or any of its forms.”
I’m taking that stance because I am a witness for Christ. I used to tell my sons, “Don’t even get close to the line that is drawn. It’ll go better for you - and me.”
Christians here have a great opportunity to do the work in Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria, and the uttermost parts of the world, too (I hope.) For that, I am in complete agreement with your expression of “appreciation to Jim for providing this website.”
Pray that we will be effective ministers. The outcomes have eternal consequences.
As a new Christian I pretty much had stayed in the New Testament for quite a few years, only going to the Old Testament for references and the like. I think for me God wanted me to know the New quite well....But oh WOW! when I decided to read the Old testament completely through.....it was and continues to be without Words how the Lord lifted the meanings, symbols, and stories,... writings, events and happenings, and ‘tied it ‘all’ together’ with the NEW....So ‘many’ Ah hah! moments left me speechless and in complete AWE of God....and on occasion tears of humbleness for caring to teach me so....
There's an ARTICLE? Who knew?
LOL
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>> “THIS sure sounds like EVERYONE to me” <<
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Sorry, but no!
The GWT comes 1000 years after the elect, the bride of Yeshua, have been raised,given their incorruptible bodies, and reigned with him for 1000 years.
Only “The rest of the dead” go to the GWT, and all that go there are sent to punishment, not to eternal life.
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That comment really isn’t scripture feasible and so is coming from some other origin then Christianity. Likely one which cloaks with enough Christian verbiages to attract the uninformed. Most false religions do so as it’s “bait” often used.
Thank you,...excellent post of which I agree.
To resolve the bashing issue might be better to just get “out of the kitchen” and let the RM’s do their job when the heat gets to hot..... And I say ‘none’ should be running to Jim Robinson with complaints...they have bypassed the RM’s who he trusts to do their job,...which I also agree they do well. Why not just pull away from the threads as most of us will do if things get too far off topic and the fur flys.....we do have that ‘choice’.
Thanks.
That is your opinion. You're stating it without getting yourself or whatever you believe bashed.
It would be nice if we Catholics were able to state our beliefs without the bashing.
Simple: common courtesy.
You are just as free as any other to state your beliefs....you should not though “expect”, as so many do, that your beliefs will not be addressed when they oppose other beliefs.
Otherwise opposing false doctrines as others might believe is what debate is about and how the truth is revealed when allowed to be expressed.
BTW..I certainly have been bashed by catholics so you have presumed wrongfully....I either respond, don't respond, or leave the thread until the heat cools down a bit.....you too have that same choice....nobody has taken that from you.
If you can’t live with my no bashing rule, you are always welcome to post elsewhere.
Hear O Israel, the Lord is our God; the Lord is One
??? Our Father (and Jesus's momma -- who is Our momma too) in heaven, hallowed be your (and momma's) name.
Your (and momma's) kingdom come.
Your (and momma's) will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven. ???
translation:
Fear not madam, they are nothing but beggars
And every road I walked would take me down to the sea
With every broken promise in my sack
And every love would always send the ship of my heart
Over the roar-ing sea
I'm not trying to be argumentative here by any means.
If I disagree with another's position on an issue while using facts, some just don't like it and consider it "bashing".
Seems like a no-win situation for people with differing positions on an issue.
However, your post is understood and it is your website to do with as you please and I respect that.
It’s self evident. This is not complicated. It’s not like we’re trying to discover what the definition of is is.
Not going to waste any more time on this nonsense. Take it or leave it.
Jim out.
Exactly. But you can't use what you don't have.
My position is Christians should focus on the essentials of salvation and stop all the bickering back and forth. Besides, the bible does not fully explain the mysteries of God. He is much more. Scripture was given to help us understand, but God gave us only what our small minds could comprehend. We will never know the full nature, power and presence of the Almighty until we come into His heaven.
I believe in grace. God is a merciful God. He sent His son because He knew we could never hold up to the burden of the law.
Praise God.
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