Posted on 07/10/2015 8:15:34 AM PDT by RnMomof7
Today is the birthday of John Calvin, Pastor, theologian and scholar ....
One may disagree with his theology .. but his contribution to the church and the world can not be denied..
"In 1559, as part of his social reforms, Calvin founded a school for training children as well as a hospital for the indigent. His Geneva Academy attracted students from all over Europe and in 1564, when he died, had 1,200 on the roll. Education could inculcate values and morality. His pedagogy was quite progressive; teachers should not be authoritarian but “should join [and] walk with [students] as companions” (qtd. in Bouwsma, 90). Calvin has been called “the father of popular education and the inventor of free schools” (Schaff 83, quoting George Bancroft). He made provision for 5,000 refugees between 1542 and 1560. Throughout his time in Geneva, he preached, performed numerous marriages and baptisms, gave spiritual advice, took part in controversy by correspondence with other reformers, as well as guiding the life of the city. He was a conscientious pastor. He took the care of souls very seriously. Preaching was for him primarily a pastoral act (see Willimon, 141). His main concerns were always pastoral and theological. One of the standard texts on the care of souls in the reformed tradition would be penned by a leading English Calvinist, Richard Baxter (1615-1691).
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/John_Calvin
Calvin the Theologian left us with his commentary on the scriptures
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/commentaries.i.html
I think there is a diametrically opposed reasoning going on. We can't "submit" to an evil ruler even if God put him in place.
Daniel was put in the lions den for not "submitting".
Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego were put in the fiery furnace for not "submitting" to the authority.
The Hebrew mid-wives refused to obey the command of the King of Egypt to kill the male Hebrew babies and God blessed them for it. Exodus 1:15-20
The king of Jericho commanded Rahab to turn over the Hebrew men to him who were spying out the land and who had visited her house. She disobeyed and hid them so they would not be captured and God spared her life and her family because of what she did. Joshua 2:1-18
Esther ignored the law that forbid anyone to see the king without his permission, and God spared her life and the lives of all the Jews because she was convicted by her conscience to disobey the king. Esther 5
King Herod told the Magi to find Jesus and report back to him, but God told them in a dream not to report back to Herod. They obeyed God rather than the king, and God protected them from the angry king. Matt. 2:1-12
Peter and his companions refused to obey the leaders who commanded to stop preaching the gospel. Acts 5:29
God set up standards for who the leaders were to be.
Exodus 18:21 . . . Furthermore, you shall select out of all the people able men who fear God, men of truth, those who hate dishonest gain; and you shall place these over them, as leaders of thousands, of hundreds, of fifties and of tens.
Those are the leaders I think Paul was speaking of. I think God put it this way.
Proverbs 8:15 "By me kings reign, And rulers decree justice. 16 "By me princes rule, and nobles, All who judge rightly.
Only those who judge rightly have been sanctioned by God.
Then I think we can take Jesus words for the Pharisees as an example. Should Jesus have "submitted" to them because they had been set as authorities by God?
Absolutely. Calvin wasn’t alone calling people like the Pope ‘antichrist’..
But he lived and died before what he would call’antichrist’, had a world calendar named after one.
Calvin is not my pope, do what you wish. I thought you were a Catholic with a huge beam in his eye.
We do not disagree.. But we must remember that God has ordained that authority for our eternal good and His glory ...
John 19:10So Pilate said to Him, "You do not speak to me? Do You not know that I have authority to release You, and I have authority to crucify You?" 11Jesus answered, "You would have no authority over Me, unless it had been given you from above; for this reason he who delivered Me to you has the greater sin."
I continue to obey the authority over us.. even though I believe the President and the congress and most of the state /local authorities are evil , Christ hating authority ..
I obey speed laws, pay taxes, etc...those are laws of order...which is the purpose of government ..
If they ordered me to kill an unborn child, bake a cake for a gay wedding, or in anyway violate the supreme authority of God...like Daniel I would not submit
Hobbs didn’t...
I just HATE it when things like that are revealed!
https://www.google.com/search?q=catholic+torture&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-Address&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7ADRA_enUS475&gws_rd=ssl
To add to what the others have already written in response to your post, I give you this:
"For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me.
But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"
-- John 5:46-47
Are you RACKING up points for the Church of ROME?
I wonder, if the queers had agreed to come pick the cake up and not force it to be delivered tot eh pagan rites, would I have baked said cake for these sodomites? ... I think I would have! what they do with a cake is not my concern. HOWEVER, requiring me to participate in their pagan rites is against my religious convictions, so this case should have been ripe for SCOTUS remanding to the lower court of fools.
Mark 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
I can’t get the site to open more than just that one gif.
I have actually said something similar to my family... I would cater a gay wedding ...finding people willing to serve it.. not me..
I would do the same with the cake.
Every wedding consists of 2 sinners.. we do not ask them if they were fornicating?? divorced? atheists ? liars? ... . But I could not participate in a gay wedding ...
BTW, this case should go all the way tot he subPreme court, if there really was a rule of law in this country anymore.
Did you know that the case never went to a court of law...this was a civil fine
John 5:39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me,
Nope, did not know that. Can the people fined appeal to a court of law, in opposition to the ruling by a civil judge in error of the Constitution?
Obviously; you are not worthy enough.
Thus the phrase:
Made an honest woman (man) out of her(him). Kinda hard to do that when both genders are, if not the same, at least similar.
They are taking it to court .. to appeal the “fine “
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