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How Can the (Catholic) Church Teach Angels?
Catholic Answers ^ | March 15, 2015 | Tim Staples

Posted on 05/20/2015 2:41:37 PM PDT by NYer

In John 5:43, Jesus declared:

I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not receive me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.

With the advent of Protestantism and the confusion that followed, and that continues to this day, Christians, outside of the Catholic Church, have, at best, an incomplete understanding of the power of these words. When Jesus says, “I come in my father’s name,” he reveals the nature of the authority he possesses from God, the Father.

We use this phrase—at least, the “in the name of” part—similarly in modern parlance in law enforcement when a police officer may say: “Stop in the name of the law!” In this context the idea of “in the name of” meaning “by the authority of” comes across clearly. But because we have thousands of different religious sects today all speaking “in the name of Jesus,” this phrase has lost some of its punch, so to speak, in modern times.

But make no mistake about it: What Jesus was saying in John 5:43 is this: He comes “in the name of the Father,” which means he speaks with the final and infallible authority of his Father. He leaves no back door open. No wiggle room. If you reject him, or his teaching, you reject the Father! That is the kind of authority Jesus is revealed to have received from his Father in Scripture.

What I find fascinating in speaking with non-Catholics about this is almost all of them agree with a Catholic understanding here when it comes to the authority of Jesus. But here is what they almost universally miss: Just about every time the New Testament reveals the radical nature of Christ’s authority, you will find in close proximity Christ then giving a similar authority to the Church.

Matt. 28:18-20:

… All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age (the implication is go with my authority).

John 17:8:

Right after Jesus says in verse 2, “Thou (God, the Father) hast given him (Christ) power over all flesh…” he then says, “For I have given them the words which thou hast given me…”

Luke 22:29:

After saying, “As my Father has appointed a kingdom for me,” he then immediately says, “…so do I appoint for you, that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”

John 20:21-23:

Jesus said to them (the apostles) again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit…”

Luke 10:16:

In the context of Jesus saying “he who rejects me rejects him (the Father) who sent me,” Jesus said, “He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me.”

John 16:26:

And finally, when Jesus speaks of himself speaking with the authority of the Father or “in the name of the Father” in John 5:43, he then prophesies that after the coming of the power of the Holy Spirit, “The hour is coming when I shall no longer speak to you in figures but tell you plainly of the Father. In that day you will ask in my name

Further, we see explicit references in Scripture to the authority of the Church being the final authority given by God to the world.

Matt. 18:15-18:

If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

I Tim. 3:14-15:

I hope to come to you soon, but I am writing these instructions to you so that, if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark (foundation) of the truth.

Notice, this last text is given in the context of St. Paul describing some of the offices of the Church; namely, the bishop and the deacon (i.e. earlier in chapter 3).

St. Paul's Letter to the Ephesians

The above represent very plain texts. And there are many more we could consider. But for our purpose here, consider St. Paul’s letter to the Ephesians. In chapter 1, St. Paul says plainly that the Church is the fullness of Christ in the world today; thus, to reject the Church is to reject Christ:

Eph. 1:20-23:

[God] raised [Christ] from the dead and made him sit at his right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come; and he has put all things under his feet and has made him the head over all things for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.

In chapter 2, St. Paul tells us the Church is the foundation of our faith (specifically, it says "the apostles and prophets" are the foundation, with Jesus Christ "being the cornerstone"), similar to what he said in I Tim. 3:15:

Eph. 2:19-20:

So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone.

In chapter 3, St. Paul speaks in the loftiest terms of the nature of the teaching authority of the Church:

Eph. 3:8-10:

To me… this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, and to make all men see what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in God who created all things; that through the church the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places.

St. Thomas Aquinas speculates as to the truth behind this text in his commentary on Ephesians:

The means through which the manifold wisdom of God is made known to [the angels] is designated by his saying “through the church.”

St. Thomas then explains that the angels are far superior to men on earth, when it comes to knowledge, as are the saints in heaven, I would add, through the beatific knowledge that they possess. However, he explains, it is because of the fact that the Church is the instrument of God that her certain teachings have God as their first principle; hence, the Church can truly be said to “teach angels.” He goes on:

Therefore, it must be asserted that the angels are instructed through the church, that is, through the apostolic preaching… in such a way that they are not taught by the apostles, but in them

... angels know natural things in two ways. They know them in the Word… and they know them in their own proper natures… Further, there exist certain intelligible patterns [operative in] the mysteries of grace which transcend the whole of creation. These intelligible patterns are not impressed on the angelic minds (that would be through the beatific vision) but are hidden in God alone. Thus, the angels do not grasp them in themselves, nor even in God, but only as they unfold in events [which the mysteries] effect.

To put it simply, angels know all they can know of God and their own natures through their perfect natures, the gift of grace, and the beatific vision. So, how could they possibly learn anything? They can learn because when it comes to how God’s grace is going to work in the world of humans, a world alien to them, the angels can and do learn. But as St. Thomas says, this “learning” does not come through the inferior human nature; rather, it comes through the divine gift of God operating in the Church. As St. Paul said in Ephesians 3:10, “through the church, the manifold wisdom of God is made known to the [angels].”

Think about it, folks. If the Church teaches angels who have the beatific vision, how much more do we puny humans need to heed the authority of the Church! Imagine the scene, say, at Vatican II. The bishops of the world were not the only ones gathered for the 21st Ecumenical Council. The angels of God were gathered as well, saying, "What are they going to say next?"

St. Paul then guarantees us (no matter what our Mormon friends may say, who claim “the great apostasy!”) that this Church he is describing will exist “in every generation world without end” in Eph. 3:21.

He then tells us even further that this Church would be characterized by its unity: It would teach:

…one Lord, one faith, one baptism… (Eph. 4:5)

And it would be hierarchical:

Therefore it is said, “When he ascended on high he led a host of captives, and he gave gifts to men.”… And his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers, for the equipment of the saints, for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God (Eph. 4:8, 11-13).

So why did God give us this glorious Church that possesses the authority of Jesus Christ?

So that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine… (Eph. 4:14)

The history of Protestantism is one of “children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine.”

 



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology
KEYWORDS: angels; catholic; catholicanswers; catholicchurch; timstaples
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To: verga; metmom
Take off the prot blinders and read in context, don’t cherry pick verses as all prots have been programmed to.

Hahahahahaaaaaaaa. Hahahahahaaaaaaaa. Hahahahahaaaaaaaa. Hahahahahaaaaaaaa. Hahahahahaaaaaaaa. Hahahahahaaaaaaaa. Hahahahahaaaaaaaa. Hahahahahaaaaaaaa.

What a hoot!

The very people who are blind to Scripture talk to us Christians about being "programmed" and cherry picking verses. Is that anything like naming someone as the leader of the largest cult in the history of the world, and calling him "Papa", based on one illogical assumptions in definition of a single Scripture?

Yet, they can't seem to do more than protest when called on the carpet and confronted with that actual truth of Scripture.

Take off those Rome colored glasses, my FRiend! Try Scripture instead of Romes' unSCriptural dictates...

41 posted on 05/20/2015 5:39:24 PM PDT by WVKayaker (On Scale of 1 to 5 Palins, How Likely Is Media Assault on Each GOP Candidate?)
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To: WVKayaker

The article quoted numerous scriptures. It is said that you commented before reading it, or perhaps understanding it.


42 posted on 05/20/2015 5:44:58 PM PDT by verga (I might as well be playing chess with pigeons,.)
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To: WVKayaker

May God not allow you to be cursed by Catholixs for your beliefs.


43 posted on 05/20/2015 5:47:06 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; NYer; metmom; WVKayaker
It's time to get serious with this, since you believe the Church is teaching angels. The first problem is: which Church? The RCC or the Church the Body of Christ?? Because these two "churches" are diametrically opposed in worship, doctrine, practice and basically EVERYTHING.

You have to ask yourself, is the RCC teaching angels how to pray to the saints? Is the RCC teaching angels that Mary is a co-redemptrix with Christ? And that the only way to get to Christ and the Father is through Mary? What is the RCC teaching the angels about salvation? And the finished work of Christ?

44 posted on 05/20/2015 5:48:26 PM PDT by smvoice ("Now is the accepted time; now is the day of salvation" 2Cor. 6:2)
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To: verga; WVKayaker

So? What about it?

Does quoting Scripture by default mean the person is correct?

Does it mean that Prots are supposed to think, *OMG, he quoted Scripture!!!! I have to believe it now!!!*?

Guess again.


45 posted on 05/20/2015 5:49:07 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: vladimir998; Zionist Conspirator
>>“This goes especially for the Genesis-hating, evolutionist crazies at “Catholic Answers.”<<

Show me this “hate”. Can you?

The catechism does note that the creation account in Genesis is to be viewed symbolically.....not a literal six day creation.

The Catechism explains that "Scripture presents the work of the Creator symbolically as a succession of six days of divine ‘work,’ concluded by the ‘rest’ of the seventh day" (CCC 337),

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/adam-eve-and-evolution

If you can't/don't believe in a literal six-day creation, then how could you believe Jesus rose on the third day?

46 posted on 05/20/2015 5:55:57 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: NYer
This from the same website that admits catholics view the creation account in Genesis as "symbolic".

Me thinks Tim Staples isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.

47 posted on 05/20/2015 6:02:38 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

And some Catholics think he’s solid.

Maybe a solid Catholic....

However, it does explain a lot.


48 posted on 05/20/2015 6:08:11 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
What a waste of valuable time while souls are going to hell by the second.....

I've noticed for some time that if all those professing Christians really believed that souls were going to hell by the second, certain things would probably look a lot different. (In other words, my observation is related to one of the deeper reasons for my current tagline.)

49 posted on 05/20/2015 6:08:44 PM PDT by Lonely Bull ("When he is being rude or mean it drives people _away_ from his confession and _towards_ yours.")
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To: ealgeone
If you can't/don't believe in a literal six-day creation, then how could you believe Jesus rose on the third day?

Good point. All we know though is that He did.

50 posted on 05/20/2015 6:13:01 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; NYer; metmom; WVKayaker; CynicalBear
Let me just get you out of the suspense my last post caused, wondering WHICH church is teaching angels...

The ENTIRE book of Ephesians is your friend here, St. Thomas.

"To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

NEXT VERSE, VERY IMPORTANT HERE

"According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord."

What is the "eternal purpose"? Eph. 1:9,10 tells us. "Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath PURPOSED IN HIMSELF..."

"That in the dispensation (I know you hate this word, but hey, it's here, it's not going anyplace) of the fullness of times he might GATHER TOGETHER IN ONE ALL THINGS IN CHRIST, BOTH WHICH ARE IN HEAVEN, AND WHICH ARE ON EARTH; EVEN IN HIM."

So why does He say He purposed this?

Eph. 2:7 tells us.

"That IN THE AGES TO COME He MIGHT SHEW THE EXCEEDING RICHES OF HIS GRACE IN HIS KINDNESS TOWARD US THROUGH CHRIST JESUS."

OH, so it's His GRACE that will be displayed in the ages to come? And what is this grace that He talks about? Do we know? Yes we do.

Eph. 2:8,9: "FOR BY GRACE ARE YE SAVED THROUGH FAITH; AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES; IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD; NOT OF WORKS, LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST."

So, there it is. Exactly what God purposed, to whom He purposed it, and WHY He purposed it.

But there's a problem here: GRACE. Does your Church teach Eph. 2:8,9? The Church the Body of Christ does. Does your Church believe that and that alone saves you? The Church the Body of Christ does. If you are teaching or being taught anything other than what GOD HAS PURPOSED, how do you possibly think you are going to be teaching His angels? Really....?

51 posted on 05/20/2015 6:13:03 PM PDT by smvoice ("Now is the accepted time; now is the day of salvation" 2Cor. 6:2)
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To: ealgeone; vladimir998
If you can't/don't believe in a literal six-day creation, then how could you believe Jesus rose on the third day?

False dichotomy from a prot, no surprise here.

52 posted on 05/20/2015 6:13:41 PM PDT by verga (I might as well be playing chess with pigeons,.)
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To: ealgeone

“The catechism does note that the creation account in Genesis is to be viewed symbolically.....not a literal six day creation.”

No, the CCC says that Genesis is filled with poetic/symbolic language. That in itself in no way is an exclusive juxtaposition to the idea of a literal six days of creation.

Also, you didn’t answer my question and gave an answer to a question no one asked. I asked the following: “Show me this “hate”. Can you?”

You did not show me any “hatred” for Genesis in Catholic teaching.

“If you can’t/don’t believe in a literal six-day creation, then how could you believe Jesus rose on the third day?”

If you can believe in Jesus rising from the dead, why can you not believe He gave His flesh for men to eat? Logically you can really only answer in a couple of ways - and those ways will always boil down to how you choose to interpret scripture.


53 posted on 05/20/2015 6:16:54 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
If you can believe in Jesus rising from the dead, why can you not believe He gave His flesh for men to eat? Logically you can really only answer in a couple of ways - and those ways will always boil down to how you choose to interpret scripture.

Does God have feathers?

If they can be persuaded to turn their attention to the Bible for still another moment, I wonder how people in this thread interpret Ephesians 3:10 and its context, maybe verses 8-12 or whatever the complete sentence is. Although I myself am not a church (perish the thought), I can imagine myself wondering what God might be showing the principalities and powers through me. If I can't be a good example, at least I can be a horrible warning.

54 posted on 05/20/2015 6:43:26 PM PDT by Lonely Bull ("When he is being rude or mean it drives people _away_ from his confession and _towards_ yours.")
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To: NYer
St. Thomas then explains that the angels are far superior to men on earth, when it comes to knowledge, as are the saints in heaven, I would add, through the beatific knowledge that they possess.

What imaginings have come out of Rome!

There is ZERO evidence for ANY of these BOASTFUL ideas!

55 posted on 05/20/2015 7:05:45 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: NYer
I'll bet this thread winds up longer than the How many can dance on the head of a pin one!
56 posted on 05/20/2015 7:06:43 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: panzerkamphwageneinz
Everyone who professes Jesus Christ as their savior is part of the ‘catholic’ or universal church.

Mormons do this; but then they tend to ADD a little bit more to it.

57 posted on 05/20/2015 7:07:40 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
You continue to keep wrongly stating what the Catholic Church does and does not teach.

I just HATE when that happens!


"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours." — Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)

Therefore, if anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole Church; or that the Roman Pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema. — Vatican 1, Ses. 4, Cp. 1

58 posted on 05/20/2015 7:09:28 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
You continue to keep wrongly stating what the Catholic Church does and does not teach.

I just HATE when that happens!


 

Augustine, sermon:

"Christ, you see, built his Church not on a man but on Peter's confession. What is Peter's confession? 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' There's the rock for you, there's the foundation, there's where the Church has been built, which the gates of the underworld cannot conquer.John Rotelle, O.S.A., Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine , © 1993 New City Press, Sermons, Vol III/6, Sermon 229P.1, p. 327

Upon this rock, said the Lord, I will build my Church. Upon this confession, upon this that you said, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God,' I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not conquer her (Mt. 16:18). John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City, 1993) Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 236A.3, p. 48.

 

Augustine, sermon:

For petra (rock) is not derived from Peter, but Peter from petra; just as Christ is not called so from the Christian, but the Christian from Christ. For on this very account the Lord said, 'On this rock will I build my Church,' because Peter had said, 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.' On this rock, therefore, He said, which thou hast confessed, I will build my Church. For the Rock (Petra) was Christ; and on this foundation was Peter himself built. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Christ Jesus. The Church, therefore, which is founded in Christ received from Him the keys of the kingdom of heaven in the person of Peter, that is to say, the power of binding and loosing sins. For what the Church is essentially in Christ, such representatively is Peter in the rock (petra); and in this representation Christ is to be understood as the Rock, Peter as the Church. — Augustine Tractate CXXIV; Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers: First Series, Volume VII Tractate CXXIV (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf107.iii.cxxv.html)

 

Augustine, sermon:

And Peter, one speaking for the rest of them, one for all, said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God (Mt 16:15-16)...And I tell you: you are Peter; because I am the rock, you are Rocky, Peter-I mean, rock doesn't come from Rocky, but Rocky from rock, just as Christ doesn't come from Christian, but Christian from Christ; and upon this rock I will build my Church (Mt 16:17-18); not upon Peter, or Rocky, which is what you are, but upon the rock which you have confessed. I will build my Church though; I will build you, because in this answer of yours you represent the Church. — John Rotelle, O.S.A. Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1993), Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 270.2, p. 289

 

Augustine, sermon:

Peter had already said to him, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' He had already heard, 'Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of the underworld shall not conquer her' (Mt 16:16-18)...Christ himself was the rock, while Peter, Rocky, was only named from the rock. That's why the rock rose again, to make Peter solid and strong; because Peter would have perished, if the rock hadn't lived. — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City, 1993) Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 244.1, p. 95

 

Augustine, sermon:

...because on this rock, he said, I will build my Church, and the gates of the underworld shall not overcome it (Mt. 16:18). Now the rock was Christ (1 Cor. 10:4). Was it Paul that was crucified for you? Hold on to these texts, love these texts, repeat them in a fraternal and peaceful manner. — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1995), Sermons, Volume III/10, Sermon 358.5, p. 193

 

Augustine, Psalm LXI:

Let us call to mind the Gospel: 'Upon this Rock I will build My Church.' Therefore She crieth from the ends of the earth, whom He hath willed to build upon a Rock. But in order that the Church might be builded upon the Rock, who was made the Rock? Hear Paul saying: 'But the Rock was Christ.' On Him therefore builded we have been. — Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1956), Volume VIII, Saint Augustin, Exposition on the Book of Psalms, Psalm LXI.3, p. 249. (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf108.ii.LXI.html)

 

• Augustine, in “Retractions,”

In a passage in this book, I said about the Apostle Peter: 'On him as on a rock the Church was built.'...But I know that very frequently at a later time, I so explained what the Lord said: 'Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church,' that it be understood as built upon Him whom Peter confessed saying: 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God,' and so Peter, called after this rock, represented the person of the Church which is built upon this rock, and has received 'the keys of the kingdom of heaven.' For, 'Thou art Peter' and not 'Thou art the rock' was said to him. But 'the rock was Christ,' in confessing whom, as also the whole Church confesses, Simon was called Peter. But let the reader decide which of these two opinions is the more probable. — The Fathers of the Church (Washington D.C., Catholic University, 1968), Saint Augustine, The Retractations Chapter 20.1:.

 

59 posted on 05/20/2015 7:09:58 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: verga
Take off the prot blinders and read in context, don’t cherry pick verses as all prots have been programmed to.

Really?

This from "This is my Body" boy?

60 posted on 05/20/2015 7:10:43 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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