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How Can the (Catholic) Church Teach Angels?
Catholic Answers ^ | March 15, 2015 | Tim Staples

Posted on 05/20/2015 2:41:37 PM PDT by NYer

In John 5:43, Jesus declared:

I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not receive me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.

With the advent of Protestantism and the confusion that followed, and that continues to this day, Christians, outside of the Catholic Church, have, at best, an incomplete understanding of the power of these words. When Jesus says, “I come in my father’s name,” he reveals the nature of the authority he possesses from God, the Father.

We use this phrase—at least, the “in the name of” part—similarly in modern parlance in law enforcement when a police officer may say: “Stop in the name of the law!” In this context the idea of “in the name of” meaning “by the authority of” comes across clearly. But because we have thousands of different religious sects today all speaking “in the name of Jesus,” this phrase has lost some of its punch, so to speak, in modern times.

But make no mistake about it: What Jesus was saying in John 5:43 is this: He comes “in the name of the Father,” which means he speaks with the final and infallible authority of his Father. He leaves no back door open. No wiggle room. If you reject him, or his teaching, you reject the Father! That is the kind of authority Jesus is revealed to have received from his Father in Scripture.

What I find fascinating in speaking with non-Catholics about this is almost all of them agree with a Catholic understanding here when it comes to the authority of Jesus. But here is what they almost universally miss: Just about every time the New Testament reveals the radical nature of Christ’s authority, you will find in close proximity Christ then giving a similar authority to the Church.

Matt. 28:18-20:

… All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age (the implication is go with my authority).

John 17:8:

Right after Jesus says in verse 2, “Thou (God, the Father) hast given him (Christ) power over all flesh…” he then says, “For I have given them the words which thou hast given me…”

Luke 22:29:

After saying, “As my Father has appointed a kingdom for me,” he then immediately says, “…so do I appoint for you, that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”

John 20:21-23:

Jesus said to them (the apostles) again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit…”

Luke 10:16:

In the context of Jesus saying “he who rejects me rejects him (the Father) who sent me,” Jesus said, “He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me.”

John 16:26:

And finally, when Jesus speaks of himself speaking with the authority of the Father or “in the name of the Father” in John 5:43, he then prophesies that after the coming of the power of the Holy Spirit, “The hour is coming when I shall no longer speak to you in figures but tell you plainly of the Father. In that day you will ask in my name

Further, we see explicit references in Scripture to the authority of the Church being the final authority given by God to the world.

Matt. 18:15-18:

If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

I Tim. 3:14-15:

I hope to come to you soon, but I am writing these instructions to you so that, if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark (foundation) of the truth.

Notice, this last text is given in the context of St. Paul describing some of the offices of the Church; namely, the bishop and the deacon (i.e. earlier in chapter 3).

St. Paul's Letter to the Ephesians

The above represent very plain texts. And there are many more we could consider. But for our purpose here, consider St. Paul’s letter to the Ephesians. In chapter 1, St. Paul says plainly that the Church is the fullness of Christ in the world today; thus, to reject the Church is to reject Christ:

Eph. 1:20-23:

[God] raised [Christ] from the dead and made him sit at his right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come; and he has put all things under his feet and has made him the head over all things for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.

In chapter 2, St. Paul tells us the Church is the foundation of our faith (specifically, it says "the apostles and prophets" are the foundation, with Jesus Christ "being the cornerstone"), similar to what he said in I Tim. 3:15:

Eph. 2:19-20:

So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone.

In chapter 3, St. Paul speaks in the loftiest terms of the nature of the teaching authority of the Church:

Eph. 3:8-10:

To me… this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, and to make all men see what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in God who created all things; that through the church the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places.

St. Thomas Aquinas speculates as to the truth behind this text in his commentary on Ephesians:

The means through which the manifold wisdom of God is made known to [the angels] is designated by his saying “through the church.”

St. Thomas then explains that the angels are far superior to men on earth, when it comes to knowledge, as are the saints in heaven, I would add, through the beatific knowledge that they possess. However, he explains, it is because of the fact that the Church is the instrument of God that her certain teachings have God as their first principle; hence, the Church can truly be said to “teach angels.” He goes on:

Therefore, it must be asserted that the angels are instructed through the church, that is, through the apostolic preaching… in such a way that they are not taught by the apostles, but in them

... angels know natural things in two ways. They know them in the Word… and they know them in their own proper natures… Further, there exist certain intelligible patterns [operative in] the mysteries of grace which transcend the whole of creation. These intelligible patterns are not impressed on the angelic minds (that would be through the beatific vision) but are hidden in God alone. Thus, the angels do not grasp them in themselves, nor even in God, but only as they unfold in events [which the mysteries] effect.

To put it simply, angels know all they can know of God and their own natures through their perfect natures, the gift of grace, and the beatific vision. So, how could they possibly learn anything? They can learn because when it comes to how God’s grace is going to work in the world of humans, a world alien to them, the angels can and do learn. But as St. Thomas says, this “learning” does not come through the inferior human nature; rather, it comes through the divine gift of God operating in the Church. As St. Paul said in Ephesians 3:10, “through the church, the manifold wisdom of God is made known to the [angels].”

Think about it, folks. If the Church teaches angels who have the beatific vision, how much more do we puny humans need to heed the authority of the Church! Imagine the scene, say, at Vatican II. The bishops of the world were not the only ones gathered for the 21st Ecumenical Council. The angels of God were gathered as well, saying, "What are they going to say next?"

St. Paul then guarantees us (no matter what our Mormon friends may say, who claim “the great apostasy!”) that this Church he is describing will exist “in every generation world without end” in Eph. 3:21.

He then tells us even further that this Church would be characterized by its unity: It would teach:

…one Lord, one faith, one baptism… (Eph. 4:5)

And it would be hierarchical:

Therefore it is said, “When he ascended on high he led a host of captives, and he gave gifts to men.”… And his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers, for the equipment of the saints, for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God (Eph. 4:8, 11-13).

So why did God give us this glorious Church that possesses the authority of Jesus Christ?

So that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine… (Eph. 4:14)

The history of Protestantism is one of “children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine.”

 



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology
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To: verga
The views expressed by most ex-Catholics are merely conjecture,
opinion, or outright wrong, they have no basis
in truth or reality.


281 posted on 05/24/2015 5:04:22 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: verga
-- through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Good point!!

But WHY does Jesus still hang on millions of Catholic crosses?

282 posted on 05/24/2015 5:05:37 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Grateful2God

An infant cannot make cogent decisions and that is something that no one can do for him, even if they can take care of his physical needs.

As I said, they can teach him and encourage him in the right direction, but ultimately, the decision is his and always will be.


283 posted on 05/24/2015 5:19:49 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Grateful2God
All they see are rules. I've heard a lot of reasons over the years, but most Catholics I know who left did so because of remarriage.

And I have NEVER found someone who left the Catholic church for that reason.

Catholics don't need to leave the church for getting out of a marriage they don't want to be in.

All they have to do is convince a priest that it wasn't a valid marriage to begin with and voila, church sanctioned divorce on tap.

284 posted on 05/24/2015 5:22:09 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Elsie

Poor Elsie...

“Slowly being driven mad by ELSIE’s abject refusal to do what he wants;”

No, actually you’re doing exactly what is expected. When an anti-Catholic shows he is comfortable being both wrong and apparently ignorant - by choice - it certainly doesn’t help the anti-Catholic cause. Such a choice in no way surprises me or bothers me. It’s typical and expected.

“tries yet again; thus re-enforcing what Einstein had observed: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results equals...”

The repeated failure is not mine. The insanity cannot be mine either.

http://www.cin.org/users/jgallegos/web_aug.htm There’s that link again. It doesn’t bother me to post it and it doesn’t drive me insane because whether you look at it or not I’m getting exactly the result I expect in each and every post. An anti-Catholic will fail again.


285 posted on 05/24/2015 7:22:10 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: metmom; Grateful2God

“And I have NEVER found someone who left the Catholic church for that reason.”

I have. Many times. It’s probably the number one reason why some Catholics become Episcopalians.


286 posted on 05/24/2015 7:26:23 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: metmom
**Catholics don't need to leave the church for getting out of a marriage they don't want to be in. All they have to do is convince a priest that it wasn't a valid marriage to begin with and voila, church sanctioned divorce on tap.**

First of all, a Catholic who is divorced, but does not remarry civilly or cohabitate, that is, who maintains chastity avoiding to their state in life, is still a Catholic. Not everyone who is divorced wants to be, and it can be a painful thing for all concerned. The Church offers counseling and Retrouvaille retreats for couples who are having problems. If efforts to remain together do not work, and the couple obtains a civil divorce, they must remain chaste to remain in the Church, in full communion.

Do all 1.2 billion Catholics abide by this? No. People do remarry and they do cohabitate. Do all clergy deny them the reception of Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament because they have made the choice to remarry thus renouncing the Sacrament? No. Not everyone does accordingly. It's human nature. Most of the people I know who have left the Church have done so because of remarriage.

Second, the Church does not grant divorces. It also does not grant annulments lightly. That fact had a huge effect in both secular and religious history.

The Catholic Church has seven Sacraments, of which Holy Matrimony is one. Annulment means that the reception of the Sacrament was not valid, or was subject to impediment, to begin with. While civil divorce deals with all aspects of the marriage, an annulment concerns the spiritual, and most intimate, as well as the mundane, aspects of the marriage bond. It is not an easy process, and involves a great deal of witness, questioning, testimony, research on all parts. Valid impediments would include lack of disclosure to a spouse of mental illness or addiction when one was already aware of same; coercion of one or both spouses to marry against their will; undisclosed prior valid marriage; incapability of spouse to remain faithful due to sexual addiction or abberation. Simply not wanting to be married any longer is not considered as valid.

As a result, the marriage is not considered dissolved; it is acknowledged to not have been valid in the first place. Children of the marriage are considered legitimate when an annulment is granted.

287 posted on 05/24/2015 10:34:59 AM PDT by Grateful2God (Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord...)
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To: vladimir998; metmom
**MM: “And I have NEVER found someone who left the Catholic church for that reason.”**

I know quite a few.


**V998:I have. Many times. It’s probably the number one reason why some Catholics become Episcopalians.

Like I said, it made a big impact on history! That's a fact... :)

288 posted on 05/24/2015 10:51:36 AM PDT by Grateful2God (Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord...)
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To: Elsie
But WHY does Jesus still hang on millions of Catholic crosses?

Because it is 100% Biblical.

1 Cor 1:23 but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness,

Is that one of the books you guys took out. With each of you being your own pope it is hard for us to remember.

289 posted on 05/24/2015 11:45:49 AM PDT by verga (I might as well be playing chess with pigeons,.)
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To: metmom
**An infant cannot make cogent decisions and that is something that no one can do for him, even if they can take care of his physical needs.**

That's why God made parents. That's why kids obey parents and other authority figures in their lives who give them instruction, structure, discipline and protection to bring them up safely with the skills they need to be independent. At Confirmation, the person opts to declare for themselves. A parent is obliged to raise their child in their belief system, whatever that may be. Hopefully, they will do so without teaching them to resent anyone who believes differently...

**As I said, they can teach him and encourage him in the right direction, but ultimately, the decision is his and always will be.**

Exactly. Hence Confirmation.

As we mature in our lives and our Faith, we actively make a choice to keep that covenant begun at Baptism for the rest of our lives, at which point, we make our Confirmation. We receive the Holy Spirit in a special way. We also, having been given a name at Baptism when others spoke on our behalf, choose for ourselves a name of our own. From then on, we shoulder the responsibility to live for God through the tenets of that Faith.

290 posted on 05/24/2015 11:49:52 AM PDT by Grateful2God (Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord...)
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To: metmom

So people should proseletyze adults (in Technicolor!) over a computer server, but should not pass their religious beliefs on to their children if the child is too young to commit. Is that it?


291 posted on 05/24/2015 12:05:46 PM PDT by Grateful2God (Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord...)
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To: Elsie
As a reminder of the sacrifice He made. It puts the problems we have in our everyday lives into perspective. It's also a reminder that Jesus died for love of mankind, and that, if He could say, "Father, forgive them" well, it makes it easier to remember to forgive others- just as he taught us.
292 posted on 05/24/2015 2:35:38 PM PDT by Grateful2God (Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord...)
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To: verga

That’s really nice of you- thanks for reading- I go on sometimes! But it is true- maybe folks wouldn’t walk away so easily if they took the time to find out what we really have in the Church. There was a time of misinformation, but now we have access to everything we need. People will join organizations and clubs, follow the rules, pay their dues on time, check out all it has to offer. Even wear monogrammed hats, shirts... But when it comes to God, well...
Some don’t even know the basics of the Faith; complain about rules or openly defy them; have no sign in their home or on their person that they even think about God. What gets me is when folks say they “don’t get anything out of it”- I ask what the put into it. It’s like any other kind of relationship- it can’t be one-sided.


293 posted on 05/24/2015 3:03:52 PM PDT by Grateful2God (Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord...)
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To: Grateful2God

Go back and re-read what I said.


294 posted on 05/24/2015 6:17:40 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: vladimir998
"At the end of his life, Augustine wrote his Retractations where he corrects statements in his earlier writings which he says were erroneous.

I wonder what CHANGED?

295 posted on 05/24/2015 7:02:05 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: verga
1 Cor 1:23 but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness,

Past tense.


The church of Rome: "... but we show Christ CONTINUALLY being crucified. To Catholics a wonderfully true image; to Protestants, a symbol of foolishness, perhaps."

296 posted on 05/24/2015 7:05:18 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: verga
With each of you being your own pope it is hard for us to remember.

Does the church of Rome have a VALID leader today?

With so many dissident FR Catholics judging him; it's hard to tell.

297 posted on 05/24/2015 7:06:43 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Grateful2God
As a reminder of the sacrifice He made.

An EMPTY cross reminds ME of His sacrifice as well as His RESURRECTION!


You guys 'cross yourselves' all the time.

Why?

Where is the Dead Jesus in THAT symbolism?

298 posted on 05/24/2015 7:08:46 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
You guys 'cross yourselves' all the time. Why? Where is the Dead Jesus in THAT symbolism?

That is the Sign of the Cross. We make the Sign with the words, "In the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, Amen." It's a prayer in itself, an invocation to God in the Trinity. We begin and end our prayers that way. It's supposed to be slow and reverent; and can be made at any time. I was taught as a little kid to make the Sign whenever I heard an ambulance, to ask God's help for the person who's ill. Still today, when I hear a siren, I take a moment to ask God's help for whoever is involved. Just an example...

299 posted on 05/24/2015 8:14:22 PM PDT by Grateful2God (Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord...)
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To: Elsie; Grateful2God
Where is the Dead Jesus in THAT symbolism?

http://www.tertullian.org/anf/anf03/anf03-11.htm

Tertullian: Elucidations In all the ordinary occasions of life we furrow our foreheads with the sign of the Cross, in which we glory none the less because it is regarded as our shame by the heathen in presence of whom it is a profession of our faith.

Last line of the first paragraph.

300 posted on 05/25/2015 4:30:24 AM PDT by verga (I might as well be playing chess with pigeons,.)
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