Posted on 05/03/2015 12:05:34 PM PDT by RnMomof7
NKP: You damn right. Couldn’t have said it better. Thanks.
Proverbs 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction: and the spirit is lifted up before a fall.
James 4:6 "God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble."
Have fun standing before God with that attitude.
Nothing THERE; eh?
Let's try to SWITCH to a DIFFERENT location in the Bible then!
19 On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, "Peace be with you."
20 When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord.
21 Jesus said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you."
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them , and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit.
23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained."
Thanks goes to the Catholics who have compiled the Scriptures together for us.
This one TOO??
As regards the oft-quoted Mt. 16:18
• Augustine, sermon:
"Christ, you see, built his Church not on a man but on Peter's confession. What is Peter's confession? 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' There's the rock for you, there's the foundation, there's where the Church has been built, which the gates of the underworld cannot conquer. — John Rotelle, O.S.A., Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine , © 1993 New City Press, Sermons, Vol III/6, Sermon 229P.1, p. 327
Upon this rock, said the Lord, I will build my Church. Upon this confession, upon this that you said, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God,' I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not conquer her (Mt. 16:18). — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City, 1993) Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 236A.3, p. 48.
• Augustine, sermon:
For petra (rock) is not derived from Peter, but Peter from petra; just as Christ is not called so from the Christian, but the Christian from Christ. For on this very account the Lord said, 'On this rock will I build my Church,' because Peter had said, 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.' On this rock, therefore, He said, which thou hast confessed, I will build my Church. For the Rock (Petra) was Christ; and on this foundation was Peter himself built. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Christ Jesus. The Church, therefore, which is founded in Christ received from Him the keys of the kingdom of heaven in the person of Peter, that is to say, the power of binding and loosing sins. For what the Church is essentially in Christ, such representatively is Peter in the rock (petra); and in this representation Christ is to be understood as the Rock, Peter as the Church. — Augustine Tractate CXXIV; Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers: First Series, Volume VII Tractate CXXIV (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf107.iii.cxxv.html)
• Augustine, sermon:
And Peter, one speaking for the rest of them, one for all, said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God (Mt 16:15-16)...And I tell you: you are Peter; because I am the rock, you are Rocky, Peter-I mean, rock doesn't come from Rocky, but Rocky from rock, just as Christ doesn't come from Christian, but Christian from Christ; and upon this rock I will build my Church (Mt 16:17-18); not upon Peter, or Rocky, which is what you are, but upon the rock which you have confessed. I will build my Church though; I will build you, because in this answer of yours you represent the Church. — John Rotelle, O.S.A. Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1993), Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 270.2, p. 289
• Augustine, sermon:
Peter had already said to him, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' He had already heard, 'Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of the underworld shall not conquer her' (Mt 16:16-18)...Christ himself was the rock, while Peter, Rocky, was only named from the rock. That's why the rock rose again, to make Peter solid and strong; because Peter would have perished, if the rock hadn't lived. — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City, 1993) Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 244.1, p. 95
• Augustine, sermon:
...because on this rock, he said, I will build my Church, and the gates of the underworld shall not overcome it (Mt. 16:18). Now the rock was Christ (1 Cor. 10:4). Was it Paul that was crucified for you? Hold on to these texts, love these texts, repeat them in a fraternal and peaceful manner. — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1995), Sermons, Volume III/10, Sermon 358.5, p. 193
• Augustine, Psalm LXI:
Let us call to mind the Gospel: 'Upon this Rock I will build My Church.' Therefore She crieth from the ends of the earth, whom He hath willed to build upon a Rock. But in order that the Church might be builded upon the Rock, who was made the Rock? Hear Paul saying: 'But the Rock was Christ.' On Him therefore builded we have been. — Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1956), Volume VIII, Saint Augustin, Exposition on the Book of Psalms, Psalm LXI.3, p. 249. (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf108.ii.LXI.html)
• Augustine, in “Retractions,”
In a passage in this book, I said about the Apostle Peter: 'On him as on a rock the Church was built.'...But I know that very frequently at a later time, I so explained what the Lord said: 'Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church,' that it be understood as built upon Him whom Peter confessed saying: 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God,' and so Peter, called after this rock, represented the person of the Church which is built upon this rock, and has received 'the keys of the kingdom of heaven.' For, 'Thou art Peter' and not 'Thou art the rock' was said to him. But 'the rock was Christ,' in confessing whom, as also the whole Church confesses, Simon was called Peter. But let the reader decide which of these two opinions is the more probable. — The Fathers of the Church (Washington D.C., Catholic University, 1968), Saint Augustine, The Retractations Chapter 20.1:.
Of course!
Since Racist!! and HATER!! ain't gettin' much traction around here any more...
Says the guy with no data...
I love the smell of napalm in the morning.
A good act of contrition is fundamental, so to speak. It seems to me one flavor of the daily bread offered up on the Religion Forum is a persisent antiCatholicism baked by lapsed Catholics trying to scratch off their baptism by any means necessary. The witness is presents is negative and typical of a latter claimant to the throne whose legitimacy rests on destroying its predecessor. It cannot rest until the former is destroyed because the former is a living testimony that the new religion is illegitimate. Thus it has no message in and of itself; it is always defined by its opposition to its predecessor.
Thank you for the response.
You seized on the act of contrition - a memorized Catholic prayer. Then you repeated your claim that former Catholics are trying to relieve their consciences because Catholicism somehow sticks and must be "scratched off."
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Let me say in no uncertain terms: When I trusted Christ as my personal Lord and Savior, old things (like my involvement in your religion) were passed away ("scratched off" in a sense) and everything became new. I was a new man. Born again by the Spirit of God.
Once saved, I was baptized - as a believer- I was baptized for the FIRST time. The choice that my parents made to undergo a baptism ritual when I was an infant had no real meaning at all. Neither did any of the other "sacraments" that I went through.
Everything I have declared here is based on God's Word. I can supply the support, if you'd like.
(If someone is reading and wants to know why I believe as I do, send me FREEPmail. I would love to communicate with you!)
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Here is a funny anecdote relating to my "Act of Contrition" prayers.
Catholics say that if you're in the 2nd grade, then you should be trained to receive the "Holy Eucharist" ((or at least they did in the last century)) To accomplish this, you had to have been trained to go into the box to tell the priest your sins: "Bless me, Father, for I have sinned..." Then you would get your penalty list and count of memorized prayers to pray, along with a "good Act of Contrition."
I thought I had it down pretty good- and that if I died at the right time I'd go straight to heaven. If I died at the wrong time, fortunately there was a back-up plan and I would not go to hell.
But tragically, I had misunderstood something fundamental to a "good" Act of Contrition.
For a few years, I thought the prayer started like this:
Oh! My God, I am hardly sorry for having offended Thee..."
I don't think mine was a "good" prayer, since the adverb is supposed to be: "heartily" - It seems to change the meaning of the prayer slightly.
Every time I think about that, I laugh.
The witness [it] presents is negative and typical of a latter claimant to the throne whose legitimacy rests on destroying its predecessor. It cannot rest until the former is destroyed because the former is a living testimony that the new religion is illegitimate. Thus it has no message in and of itself; it is always defined by its opposition to its predecessor.
The witness [it] presents is negative and typical of a latter claimant to the throne whose legitimacy rests on destroying its predecessor. It cannot rest until the former is destroyed because the former is a living testimony that the new religion is illegitimate. Thus it has no message in and of itself; it is always defined by its opposition to its predecessor.
You seized on the act of contrition - a memorized Catholic prayer. Then you repeated your claim that former Catholics are trying to relieve their consciences because Catholicism somehow sticks and must be "scratched off."
Actually I pointed out that a perfect act of contrition is fundament. You brought up a prayer, and since you did, do you agree that the so-called Sinner's Prayer is a relatively new marketing tool to generate so-called decisions in certain denominations, faith communities, and sects ?
Which Protestant derived group baptized you, so to speak ?
No.
Why do you add, "so to speak"?
You have Scripture and hundreds of millions of protestants each with their own separate but equal personal interpretations of what that scripture means, each acting like their own little gods who know better than anyone what scripture means.
AMDG
I know, right? And the thing is, they never even listen to what they are saying!
Odd that; everyone seems to claim that privilege. It seems to me the so-called Sinner's Prayer is not there but the "Our Father" is; do you still say the "Our Father ?"
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