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1 posted on 04/21/2015 3:14:31 PM PDT by amessenger4god
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WOW am I surprised somebody actually got it...I like how verses 1 and 2 where bolded and underlined confirming this is the gospel, it is indeed rare to see, I can ask 100 people what is the gospel and get 1000 answers none of which are the gospel, however they all sound good but they are all wrong.

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That is the gospel that one must believe to be saved there is none other, you don’t have to go anywhere, do anything, say anything, ask anything, pray anything, no pomp, no ceremony, Just Believe...how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: That is all.


2 posted on 04/21/2015 3:57:59 PM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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“It amazes me how there are entire denominations (thinking RCC) that constantly refer to “the Gospel”, yet when pressed they cannot even define what “the Gospel” is anymore... or if they do define it, it is some sort of faith + works complicated mess, far beyond what Paul described in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4:”

Whoever wrote that has not read much of St. Paul let alone other Catholic theologians.

I like Johannes Hofinger put it:

- In His infinite goodness (Eph 2:7), the Father in heaven has called us (1 Pet 5:10) to be united with Him in life and joy (John 17:21), sharing His divine riches (Eph 2:7):

- through Christ, His Son (1 Pet 5:10)–Him He gave as a ransom for us sinners (1 Tim 2:6; 1 John 4:10), and into His likeness He desires that we be conformed (Rom 8:20),

- so that, born anew of water and the Holy Spirit (John 3:5), and thus made partakers of the divine nature (2 Pet 1:4), we may be children of God (1 John 3:1).

- And because we are God’s children, He has sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts (Gal 4:6):

- thus being the temple of God (1 Cor 6:19), we are to live the life of God’s children (Rom 6:4), following the example of Christ, our first-born brother (Rom 8:29),

- so that we may gain the kingdom of God and His glory, as heirs of God (1 Thess 2:12), joint heirs with Christ (Rom 8:17).

Johannes Hofinger, The Good News and It’s Proclamation

And for a better understanding of just how much goes with the word Gospel: http://blog.adw.org/2014/11/does-gospel-simply-mean-good-news-or-have-we-unintentionally-defined-ourselves-into-a-corner/


3 posted on 04/21/2015 4:06:37 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: amessenger4god

What comprises a “work”?


4 posted on 04/21/2015 4:36:54 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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"Not every one that saith to Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of My Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 7:21

"But according to thy hardness and impenitent heart, thou treasurest up to thyself wrath, against the day of wrath, and revelation of the just judgment of God. Who will render to every man according to his works. To them indeed, who according to patience in good work, seek glory and honour and incorruption, eternal life: But to them that are contentious, and who obey not the truth, but give credit to iniquity, wrath and indignation." Romans 2:5-8

"For we must all be manifested before the judgement seat of Christ, that every one may receive the proper things of the body, according as he hath done, whether it be good or evil." 2 Corinthians 5:10

"Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers be transformed as the ministers of justice, whose end shall be according to their works." 2 Corinthians 11:15

"You are made void of Christ, you who are justified in the law: you are fallen from grace. For we in spirit, by faith, wait for the hope of justice. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision: but faith that worketh by charity." Galatians 5:4-6

"For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, for it is the gift of God; Not of works, that no man may glory. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus in good works, which God hath prepared that we should walk in them." Ephesians 2:8-10

"Wherefore, my dearly beloved, (as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but much more now in my absence,) with fear and trembling work out your salvation. For it is God who worketh in you, both to will and to accomplish, according to His good will." Philippians 2:12-13

"Knowing that you shall receive of the Lord the reward of inheritance. Serve ye the Lord Christ. For he that doth wrong, shall receive for that which he hath done wrongfully: and there is no respect of persons with God." Colossians 3:24-25

"What shall it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but hath not works? Shall faith be able to save him?" James 2:14

"So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself." James 2:17

"But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?" James 2:20

"Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?" James 2:24

"For even as the body without the spirit is dead; so also faith without works is dead." James 2:26

"And if you invoke as Father Him who, without respect of persons, judgeth according to every one's work: converse in fear during the time of your sojourning here." 1 Peter 1:17

"And I saw the dead, great and small, standing in the presence of the throne, and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged by those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and hell gave up their dead that were in them; and they were judged every one according to their works." Apocalypse 20:12-13

"And account the longsuffering of our Lord, salvation; as also our most dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, hath written to you: As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction." 2 Peter 3:15-16


5 posted on 04/21/2015 4:44:23 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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http://www.scripturecatholic.com/my_top_ten.html

James 2:24

"You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone."

In addition to their belief in the Bible alone ("sola Scriptura"), most Protestants believe that all one has to do is accept Jesus Christ as personal Lord and Savior in order to be justified by God (justification is the process by which man, moved by grace, turns toward God and away from sin, and accepts God’s forgiveness and righteousness). Thus, most Protestants believe that one is justified and saved by His faith in Christ alone (called "sola Fide" or Faith alone). But if this is true, then why does James say that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone?

James says this because we are justified, and ultimately saved, through both our faith and works, and not just faith alone. In fact, the only place in the Bible where the phrase "faith alone" appears is in James 2:24 where it says we are justified by works and NOT by faith alone. So the Bible never teaches anywhere that we are justified, saved, or anything else, by faith alone. While on its face the Catholic position seems obvious, the theology of faith and works in the matter of salvation is actually quite complicated, and has been one of the main sources of division between Catholicism and Protestantism. Hence, a couple of points should be made to address the controversy and clarify Catholic teaching.

First, Catholics ultimately believe that we are saved, not by faith or works, but by Jesus Christ and Him alone. Jesus Christ's death and Resurrection is the sole source of our justification (being in a right relationship with God) and salvation (sharing in God's divine life). But as a result of Christ's death and resurrection, we are now able to receive God's grace. Grace is God's own divine life which He infuses into our souls. It is what Adam initially lost for us, and Christ won back for us. This grace initially causes us to seek God and to believe in Him (the "faith" part). Non-Catholics generally stop here.

But God desires us to respond to His grace by putting our faith into action (the "works" part). This is why Jesus always taught about our salvation in the context of what we actually did during our earthly lives, and not how much faith we had ("whatever you did to the least of my brothers, you did to Me." Matthew 25:40,45). When Jesus teaches about His second coming where He will separate the sheep from the goats, He bases salvation and damnation upon what we actually did ("works"), whether righteous or evil. Matthew 25:31-46. In James 2:14-26, James is similarly instructing us to put our faith into action by performing good works, and not just giving an intellectual assent of faith. James says such "faith apart from works is dead." James 2:17,26.

So we must do more than accept Jesus as personal Lord and Savior. Even the demons believe Jesus is Savior, and yet "they tremble." James 2:19. We must also do good works. Faith is the beginning of a process that leads us toward justification, but faith alone never obtains the grace of justification. Faith and works acting together achieve our justification. Saint Paul says it best when he writes that we need "faith working in love." Galatians 5:6. We are not justified and saved by faith alone.

Secondly, it is important to distinguish between the "works" James taught about in James 2:24 and the "works of the law" Saint Paul taught about in Rom. 3:20,28; Gal. 2:16,21; 3:2,5,10; and Eph. 2:8-9. Protestants generally confuse James' "good works" from Paul's "works of the law" when they attempt to prove that "works" are irrelevant to justification and salvation. The "works of the law" Paul taught about in Ephesians 2:8-9 and elsewhere referred to the Mosaic law and their legal system that made God obligated to reward them for their works. They would thus “boast” about their works by attributing their works to themselves. Cf. Rom. 4:2; Eph. 2:9. Saint Paul taught that, with the coming of Christ, the Mosaic (moral, legal, and ceremonial) law which made God a debtor to us no longer justified a person. Instead, Paul taught that we are now justified and saved by grace (not legal obligation) through faith (not works of law). Eph. 2:5,8. Hence, we no longer “boast” by attributing our works to ourselves. We attribute them to God who gives everything to us freely by His grace.

Therefore, we are no longer required to fulfill the “works of law,” but to fulfill the “law of Christ” Gal. 6:2. This is why Paul writes that the “doers of the law (of Christ)” will be justified. Rom. 2:13. Of course, the “works of the law” Paul wrote about in Rom. 3:20,28; Gal. 2:16,21; 3:2,5,10 and Eph. 2:8-9 have nothing to do with the “good works” James is teaching in James 2:24 or the “law” Paul is teaching about in Rom. 2:13 (because they are part of the same Word of God which can never contradict itself).

In summary, based on the Scriptures, the Church has taught for 2,000 years that we are justified and saved by the grace and mercy of Christ through both faith and works, and not faith alone. We are no longer in a legal system of debt where God owes us (creditor/debtor). We are now in a system of grace where God rewards our works when done with faith in Christ (Father/child). This also means that we must continue to exercise our faith and works to the end of our lives in order to be saved. This is why Jesus told us to "endure to the end" to be saved. Matthew 10:22; 24:13; Mark 13:13. This is also why Saint Paul warned us that we could even lose our salvation if we did not persevere. cf. Romans 11:20-23; 1 Corinthians 9:27. This Catholic belief contradicts the novel Protestant notion of "once saved, always saved."


6 posted on 04/21/2015 4:47:05 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Preach the Gospel. If necessary, use words.

St. Francis


7 posted on 04/21/2015 4:59:39 PM PDT by rightthinkingwoman
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Now the “but” starts. “But what what about James.


I don`t think what James said had anything to do with the law at all, he was talking about works of faith and it not only makes sense but you can read what Jesus said in his words.

Love thy neighbor.
Love thy enemy.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

If some one is hungry give them something to eat.


10 posted on 04/21/2015 6:40:50 PM PDT by ravenwolf (s letters scripture.)
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Down and dirty...Right to the issue...The simplicity of salvation...Good job...


11 posted on 04/21/2015 10:49:34 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: amessenger4god
1. As on other threads, it is amazing to me how someone articulates something and then the crowd rushes in to rebut the argument using arguments that the thread author already rebutted. It makes one wonder if they read the article.

James says not by faith alone, Paul REPEATEDLY says it is by faith alone. Please scroll up to the top and read article again.

2. My reply to "Salvation": the Bible is quite clear that a faith that doesn't work is not a saving faith, yet it is even clearer that salvation is through faith apart from works. A belief you don't act on is not true belief.

Also, regarding Matthew 7, it is interesting to cite 7:21, and not the very next verse:

"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’"

It is the very ones who offer works as justification who Jesus calls "evildoers" and tells them to depart from Him. I don't want to be in that camp.

3. The disciples came to Jesus regarding this very issue in John 6:

v. 28: Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

v. 29: Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

14 posted on 04/22/2015 8:02:37 AM PDT by amessenger4god
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