Posted on 04/09/2015 8:22:13 AM PDT by Salvation
When I was in the seminary, my Moral Theology Professor, Fr. Robert Zylla (R.I.P.), encouraged us to meditate on the sins of the intellect during the third sorrowful mystery (The Crowning with Thorns). In his years of teaching he had surely witnessed the intellectual pride that could beset theologians and seminary students who figured they knew a few things. And added to this human tendency to intellectual pride was the rather prideful sense of the 20th century that we had somehow “come of age.” Dissent from church teaching was rampant and what came to be called the “hermeneutic of rupture and discontinuity” was in full flower. Many dismissed things merely because they were “old” and “pre-Vatican II.” Our advanced technology, tall buildings, terrifying weapons of war, and astonishing techniques of medicine had mesmerized us; we confused mere knowledge with wisdom. Knowing how to get to the moon and back is impressive, but only wisdom and humility, with lots of grace and mercy, can get us to Heaven.
Yes, the sins of the intellect must be consistently monitored and curbed with proper humility and docility (the Latin root docile means to be teachable) to the teachings of the Church. Garry Wills, a noted dissenter during those heady times, coined the phrase Mater si, Magistra no (Mother yes, Teacher no) to indicate that there was no need for him or others to accept the Church’s teaching authority. So sad, yet so emblematic of our times. Many today simply sniffle and dismiss the need for any teaching from the Church.
Our intellect is our greatest strength yet also our biggest struggle. We think we know a few things. And we do know a few things, very few. And insisting that we know so much, we shut down and will no longer listen to the Wisdom of God in His Church, time-tested, stretching back for millennia, the glory of the saints, and a treasure more precious than gold for those who love the Law of the Lord.
For meditation during Holy Week, I read through Jesus of Nazareth, Part II (Holy Week) by Joseph Ratzinger. In it, he writes of the dangers and sins of the intellect as he meditates on Jesus’ words from the cross, “Father forgive them, for they know not what they do.” Consider this teaching on the sins and limits of the intellect from one of the great intellects of our time:
Father forgive them, for they know not what they do” (Lk 23:34). … The theme of “not knowing” returns in St. Peter’s sermon in the Acts of the Apostles … “Now, brethren, I know that you acted in ignorance, as did also your rulers” (3:17). … The theme of not knowing also appears in one of St. Paul’s autobiographical reflections. He recalls that he himself “formally blasphemed and persecuted and insulted Jesus” then he continues, “But I received mercy because I had acted ignorantly in unbelief” (1 Tim 1:13).
This combination of expert knowledge and deep ignorance certainly causes us to ponder. It reveals the whole problem of a knowledge that remains self-sufficient and does not arrive at Truth itself.
We encounter the same combination of knowledge and failure to understand in the story of the wise men from the East. The chief priests and the scribes know exactly where the Messiah is to be born. But they do not recognize him. Despite their knowledge, they remain blind (Matthew 2:4–6).
Clearly this mixture of knowledge and ignorance, of material expertise and deep incomprehension occurs in every period of history. For this reason, what Jesus says [from the cross] about ignorance … is bound to be unsettling for the supposedly learned today. Are we not blind precisely as a people with knowledge? … Ignorance diminishes guilt, and it leaves open the path to conversion. But it does not simply excuse, because at the same time it reveals a deadening of the heart that resists the call of Truth [pp. 206-208].
Consider well, especially as you pray the third sorrowful mystery (the Crowning with Thorns), the sins of the intellect; it would make Fr. Zylla happy. As a parting thought, I ask you to ponder the danger described by St. Paul: For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their senseless minds were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools (Rom 1:21-22).
Save us, Lord, from our foolishness and transform our minds!
I’ll admit this video is a little on the light side given the topic, but the point is that we don’t even understand those closest to us. How, then, can we understand that which is above us?
I’ve asked that and (typically) gotten no response.
EVERYONE thinks they’re right.
How many people walk around stating that they think they’re wrong about what they believe?
Don’t YOU think you’re right about what you believe and how you interpret Scripture?
And I think that a true Christian would respect my decision to do so.
But that's not what I get from you.
You will not be satisfied, ever.
So why do you feel the need to stalk the Catholic threads?
Obviously, you cannot stand someone having a different way of thinking.
Tell me again how you are no different from the Taliban?
I think Godwin’s Law can apply here.
Thank you for forfeiting the debate.
You never entered into a debate.
You have no idea what a true debate is.
All you did was attack while people were trying to discuss the topic at hand.
When kids do that we shush them.
Consider yourself shushed.
Yup; so true.
Was Godwin a true Scotsman?
Why not?
Are not in BIG Trouble without it??
"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours." Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)
Therefore, if anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole Church; or that the Roman Pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema. Vatican 1, Ses. 4, Cp. 1
So THIS explains why so many of the 'churches' written to and about in the NT were teaching ERROR!!
SOMEBODY sure ain't gettin' the Message!!!
Bonaventure: the gates of heaven will open to all who confide in the protection of Mary. Blessed are they who know thee, O Mother of God, for the knowledge of THEE is the high road to everlasting life, and the publication of thy virtues is the way of ETERNAL SALVATION . Give ear, O ye nations; and all you who desire heaven , serve, honor Mary, and certainly you will find ETERNAL LIFE.
Ephem: devotion to the divine Mother is the unlocking of the heavenly Jerusalem.
Blosius: To the, O Lady, are committed the KEYS and the treasures of the kingdom of Heaven.
Ambrose: constantly pray Open to us, O Mary, the gates of paradise, since thou hast its KEYS.
Fulgetius: by Mary God descended from Heaven into the world, that by HER man might ascend from earth to Heaven.
Athanasius: And, thou, O Lady, wast filled with grace, that thou mightiest be the way of our SALVATION and the means of ascent to the heavenly Kingdom.
Richard of Laurence: Mary, in fine, is the mistress of heaven; for there she commands as she wills, and ADMITS whom she wills.
Guerric: he who serves Mary and for whom she intercedes, is as CERTAIN of heaven as if he were already there and those who DO NOT serve Mary will NOT BE SAVED.
Anselm: It suffices, O Lady, that thou willest it, and our SALVATION is certain.
Antoninus:
souls protected by Mary, and on which she casts her eyes, are NECESSARILY JUSTIFIED AND SAVED.
Because... {sigh} ...they ARE, however, good enough to KEEP us!
Exasperated_Catholic_Dude(Hail Mary; mother of GOD...)
How many years has my tagline told you this???
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto Mary; or else you make Jesus cry.
Yup; I've seen this posted by Catholics...
But didn’t y’all say works don’t count? Why would he be glad to suffer then? Supposedly there is no further redemptive suffering necessary.
There is no REDEMPTIVE value in suffering.
Our redemption is complete with the cross and the finished work of Jesus on it.
Being conformed to the image of Christ, which only the born again believer can be, is attained through other means.
But it does not gain, keep, or ensure our salvation, which is a done deal.
And if God promised to forgive sins and never bring them up again I would like to know how they think He will bring them up at some judgement.
I’m guessing that just because Satan likes to dredge up our past sins and throw them up in our faces, they think God does, too.
The particular judgment will be instantaneous, and some say that in the moment of death the soul is illuminated as to its own guilt or innocence and of its own initiation takes its course either to hell, or to purgatory, or to heaven. (That fits in with what you said about the unrighteous being "already condemned," and where St. Paul says that their inward thoughts are already accusing and defending them.)
But then Paul says, "...or also defending one another, in the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ (Romans 2:15-16).
So GOD is judging the secrets of men, "by Jesus Christ."
In one of His parables about judgment, Jesus also makes reference to a "prison" from which you will not get out "until you have paid the last penny." (Matthew 5:26, Luke 12:59). That's obviously not heaven (heaven's not a prison), nor hell (you never get out of hell), but another place, a hopeful place, a temporary place of purification of souls which are saved but are not yet perfect, not yet freed from the least attachment to sin.
After the General Judgment at the end of the world. there will just be the two eternal destinies: Heaven and Hell. And, somehow --- I don't know how to explain it --- new Heavens and a new Earth.
I question whether they even believe in forgiveness and what it is.
I think many people don’t understand what real forgiveness is.
They think they have to earn it, even from other people.
Forgiveness is a gracious gift, undeserved, freely granted for the asking by the offended party.
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