Posted on 04/07/2015 5:36:23 PM PDT by ebb tide
"The Pope and the transsexual", is how the media similarly described the Holy Thursday liturgy of Pope Francis in the Roman prison Regina Coeli. On the first day of the Triduum Paschale, the Pope again followed his practice of having deserted the liturgically provided cathedral church of Rome and went to the "margins".
This year the Pope visited the Roman prison Regina Coeli. He washed the feet of male and female prisoners and celebrated in the "Lord's Supper" in the prison hall.
Vatican Television rendered images all over the world
Among the prisoners, whose feet the Pope washed, there was also a transsexual. He then also received Holy Communion from another priest. The Pope's visit was accompanied by numerous television cameras that transmitted the Liturgy on Vatican Television and on other television stations around the world.
The sight was for pious Catholic, and perhaps unbelievers, a scandal. "At first glance", the most famous of Catholic bloggers, Francisco Fernández de la Cigoña did not make it out. De la Cigoña is known for his direct language and has already even criticized Pope Francis "with respect for his office and his dignity."
In prison one meets the prisoners
"The Pope has celebrated the Last Supper in prison. There are even murderers, robbers, pedophiles, cheaters, rapists, prostitutes ... " The Pope could not count on anything else "and we could expect nothing less in a prison."
"This time it was just a transsexual offender. Is it worse than a pedophile, rapist or murderer? Innocent convicts are rarely found in a prison," said de la Cigoña. The Church doesn't go on the Penal Code, but the soul of man. " The transsexual has been excommunicated? Can they not be pardoned for sin? Even a transsexual can become a saint."
Transsexuals are not the problem, but the impression
"It has even me, a little astonished," said de la Cigoña, "that one of the persons whom the Pope washed in prison, is a transsexual." But Jesus washed the feet of Judas Iscariot. The problem was not that person or other offenders. The question is whether those who were invited for Communion, were in a state of grace. However, the Church doesn't require a statement of confession. Why would they need one in a prison?
Precisely because of this connection: penitence, confession, contrition, forgiveness are not conditions for receiving Holy Communion and even faithful Catholics often are familiar with the scandal of the offense of images from prison that were carried into all the world. The Church has helped sinners at all times. She has done well, not to broadcast certain things out loud. Not to excite or give offense, but to avoid confusion. "We do not know what happened in the prison. But the wrong impression, however, should always be avoided: all were able to unconditionally receive the Lord."
We are in a period in which the gender ideology and the homosexualization are imposed by force, nor is this a question of whether there was an accidental or deliberate play with gestures and pictures. Someone had chosen those who were to be admitted to the washing of the feet, like two years ago someone had selected prisoners of various religions in youth prison in Rome. It is difficult to accept that it was done without consultation with the Vatican.
“Nope. I won’t have to deal with that; Francis will. And so will you for your defense of him.”
No, you will have to deal with it. You’re the one who seems to be obsessing over it already. You’ve been going on about it for how many days now?
“I’m not judging the pope,”
You clearly are.
“I’m merely stating a fact that you can’t refute.”
It isn’t a fact that he’s a heretic. I don’t have to refute it because there’s nothing heretical to refute.
“Likewise, my accusation is true.”
Nope.
“Ask Ed Peters.”
You ask him. Ask him if Pope Francis is a material heretic.
So once again you are the one doing the "judging".
How old are you? Do you have a driver’s license yet?
Material heretic, yes; not yet a formal one.
Francis has stated that atheists, although aware of the Catholic Church's teaching, can go to Heaven.
He has told an atheist that he was not trying to convert him.
He has stated that the Jews need not convert to achieve salvation.
Despite Tony Palmer's desires, Francis discouraged the Protestant "bishop" from converting to Catholicism for the sake of false ecumenism.
Francis said Jesus faked anger.
Francis has proposed that the Blessed Mother exclaimed, "Lies, I was cheated".
Francis has chosen to surround himself with heretics, while demoting orthodox prelates.
In summary, Francis is a material heretic. Fact.
Francis
“So once again you are the one doing the “judging”.”
You judge incorrectly all the time. If I judge, it is most likely correct.
“How old are you?”
How old are you?
“Do you have a driver’s license yet?”
Do you?
““I do not approach the relationship in order to proselytize, or convert the atheist; I respect him… Francis”
And he isn’t wrong. Christian love is about loving like Christ. Christ died for everyone - even those who would ultimately refuse Him.
“Material heretic, yes; not yet a formal one.”
No. And you’re “judging” again. Kettle. Pot.
“Francis has stated that atheists, although aware of the Catholic Church’s teaching, can go to Heaven.”
Actually this is what he said:
“The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone! And this Blood makes us children of God of the first class! We are created children in the likeness of God and the Blood of Christ has redeemed us all! And we all have a duty to do good. And this commandment for everyone to do good, I think, is a beautiful path towards peace. If we, each doing our own part, do good to others, if we meet there, doing good, and we go slowly, gently, little by little, we will make that culture of encounter that so much. We must meet one another doing good. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: we will meet one another there.”
Thus, your characterization that “Francis has stated that atheists, although aware of the Catholic Church’s teaching, can go to Heaven” is not correct.
Fr. Longenecker explains it well: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/standingonmyhead/2013/05/did-pope-francis-preach-salvation-by-works.html
“He has told an atheist that he was not trying to convert him.”
And that isn’t heresy. You’re apparently imputing motives to a statement for which you apparently have no evidence.
“He has stated that the Jews need not convert to achieve salvation.”
Another mischaracterization on your part to say the least.
“Despite Tony Palmer’s desires, Francis discouraged the Protestant “bishop” from converting to Catholicism for the sake of false ecumenism.”
Let’s say he did - that would be a sad thing, but not heresy. Francis might have thought he was making a prudential decision.
“Francis said Jesus faked anger.”
Perhaps a stupid thing to say, but not a heresy. After all the Jesuits have been saying that for 3 centuries and it has never been declared a heresy.
“Francis has proposed that the Blessed Mother exclaimed, “Lies, I was cheated”.”
No. He said, “The Blessed Mother was human! And perhaps she would have wanted to say, ‘lies! I have been cheated!’.” Francis also said, “She was quiet, but in her heart - how much she said to the Lord!” So he never said it was “exclaimed”. You’re not only making things up you’re mischaracterizing things. Again.
“Francis has chosen to surround himself with heretics, while demoting orthodox prelates.”
Poor administration is awful, but not a heresy.
“In summary, Francis is a material heretic. Fact.”
Nope. You repeatedly label things that are not even doctrinal teachings (administrative decisions, for instance) as heresy. You need to study what the word heresy means.
Don't you think true love would involve an attempt, any attempt, at saving someone's soul rather than passively letting that soul ultimately refuse God? Francis does the latter.
So is everyone saved? Do you believe in salvation outside the Catholic Church?
“Don’t you think true love would involve an attempt, any attempt, at saving someone’s soul rather than passively letting that soul ultimately refuse God?”
You’ve created a false dichotomy there.
“Francis does the latter.”
With your habit of mischaracterizing things that comment rates about the same as others.
“So is everyone saved?”
Did I mention “saved” in the following statement?: “Christ died for everyone - even those who would ultimately refuse Him.”
“Do you believe in salvation outside the Catholic Church?”
Did Pius IX?
In an allocution (address to an audience) on December 9th, 1854 he said:
We must hold as of the faith, that out of the Apostolic Roman Church there is no salvation; that she is the only ark of safety, and whosoever is not in her perishes in the deluge; we must also, on the other hand, recognize with certainty that those who are invincible in ignorance of the true religion are not guilty for this in the eyes of the Lord. And who would presume to mark out the limits of this ignorance according to the character and diversity of peoples, countries, minds and the rest?
Again, in his encyclical Quanto conficiamur moerore of 10 August, 1863 addressed to the Italian bishops, he said:
It is known to us and to you that those who are in invincible ignorance of our most holy religion, but who observe carefully the natural law, and the precepts graven by God upon the hearts of all men, and who being disposed to obey God lead an honest and upright life, may, aided by the light of divine grace, attain to eternal life; for God who sees clearly, searches and knows the heart, the disposition, the thoughts and intentions of each, in His supreme mercy and goodness by no means permits that anyone suffer eternal punishment, who has not of his own free will fallen into sin. https://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/outside_the_church.htm
Will you now post against Pius IX as you do against Pope Francis?
Or will you do yet more kettle and pot posting?
God continues to work among the people of the Old Covenant and to bring forth treasures of wisdom which flow from their encounter with his word.
Francis: Evangelli Gaudium
Outright heresy.
What part of “invincible ignorance” do you not understand? Or do you claim to have that same malady?
“Outright heresy.”
“Anti-Semitism is inadmissible; spiritually we are all Semites.” Pope Pius XII
So was Pope Pius XII a heretic?
“What part of “invincible ignorance” do you not understand?”
There’s no part of it I don’t understand.
“Or do you claim to have that same malady?”
Do you claim to have it? You post like it.
“Only an invincible ignorant would speak as you do.”
No, actually only someone who wasn’t would post as I do.
Thanks. You’ve proved my point.
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