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To: ebb tide

“So is everyone saved?”

Did I mention “saved” in the following statement?: “Christ died for everyone - even those who would ultimately refuse Him.”

“Do you believe in salvation outside the Catholic Church?”

Did Pius IX?

In an allocution (address to an audience) on December 9th, 1854 he said:

We must hold as of the faith, that out of the Apostolic Roman Church there is no salvation; that she is the only ark of safety, and whosoever is not in her perishes in the deluge; we must also, on the other hand, recognize with certainty that those who are invincible in ignorance of the true religion are not guilty for this in the eyes of the Lord. And who would presume to mark out the limits of this ignorance according to the character and diversity of peoples, countries, minds and the rest?

Again, in his encyclical Quanto conficiamur moerore of 10 August, 1863 addressed to the Italian bishops, he said:

It is known to us and to you that those who are in invincible ignorance of our most holy religion, but who observe carefully the natural law, and the precepts graven by God upon the hearts of all men, and who being disposed to obey God lead an honest and upright life, may, aided by the light of divine grace, attain to eternal life; for God who sees clearly, searches and knows the heart, the disposition, the thoughts and intentions of each, in His supreme mercy and goodness by no means permits that anyone suffer eternal punishment, who has not of his own free will fallen into sin. https://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/outside_the_church.htm

Will you now post against Pius IX as you do against Pope Francis?

Or will you do yet more kettle and pot posting?


53 posted on 04/11/2015 12:00:41 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

What part of “invincible ignorance” do you not understand? Or do you claim to have that same malady?


55 posted on 04/11/2015 1:01:11 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: vladimir998
Will you now post against Pius IX as you do against Pope Francis?

No, I will not. Pope Pius IX is nothing like Francis. Pope Pius did not condone adultery, nor sodomy. Pope Pius did not discourage "proslytesim", nor did he wash the feet of trannys and muslims on Maundy Thursdays. Pope Pius never discouraged a protestant from converting to Catholicism. Shall I go on?

62 posted on 04/11/2015 8:29:46 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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