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LDS Book of Mormon Violence [Mormon Jesus' cross accompanies mass destruction, death]
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Posted on 04/03/2015 6:39:24 AM PDT by Colofornian

Is the Book of Mormon too violent for children?

Graphic Murder and Torture

Moroni 9:8

8 And the husbands and fathers of those women and children they have slain; and they feed the women upon the flesh of their husbands, and the children upon the flesh of their fathers; and no water, save a little, do they give unto them.

Bodily Mutilation and Killing by Jesus's Hero, Ammon

Alma 17:

38 Now six of them had fallen by the sling, but he slew none save it were their leader with his sword; and he smote off as many of their arms as were lifted against him, and they were not a few.

Alma 18:16-17

16 And it came to pass that Ammon, being filled with the Spirit of God, therefore he perceived the thoughts of the king. And he said unto him: Is it because thou hast heard that I defended thy servants and thy flocks, and slew seven of their brethren with the sling and with the sword, and smote off the arms of others, in order to defend thy flocks and thy servants; behold, is it this that causeth thy marvelings? I say unto you, what is it, that thy marvelings are so great? Behold, I am a man, and am thy servant; therefore, whatsoever thou desirest which is right, that will I do.

Murders by Javelin

Alma 51:

34 And it came to pass that Teancum stole privily into the tent of the king, and put a javelin to his heart; and he did cause the death of the king immediately that he did not awake his servants.

Alma 62:

36 And it came to pass that Teancum in his anger did go forth into the camp of the Lamanites, and did let himself down over the walls of the city. And he went forth with a cord, from place to place, insomuch that he did find the king; and he did cast a javelin at him, which did pierce him near the heart. But behold, the king did awaken his servants before he died, insomuch that they did pursue Teancum, and slew him.

Jesus Promises Rotting Corpses Will Be Devoured by Animals

Mosiah 12:2

2 Yea, wo be unto this generation! And the Lord said unto me: Stretch forth thy hand and prophesy, saying: Thus saith the Lord, it shall come to pass that this generation, because of their iniquities, shall be brought into bondage, and shall be smitten on the cheek; yea, and shall be driven by men, and shall be slain; and the vultures of the air, and the dogs, yea, and the wild beasts, shall devour their flesh.

Vengeful Massacre by Jesus's Hero, Moroni

Alma 62:

25 And now when Moroni saw that they were fleeing before him, he did cause that his men should march forth against them, and slew many, and surrounded many others, and took them prisoners; and the remainder of them fled into the land of Moroni, which was in the borders by the seashore.

Bodily Remains of Murdered Women and Children Discarded in Sea

Alma 3:2-3

Now many women and children had been slain with the sword, and also many of their flocks and their herds; and also many of their fields of grain were destroyed, for they were trodden down by the hosts of men. And now as many of the Lamanites and the Amlicites who had been slain upon the bank of the river Sidon were cast into the waters of Sidon; and behold their bones are in the depths of the sea, and they are many.

Jesus's Hero, Moroni, Butchers Four Thousand "Dissenters"

Alma 51:18-19

And it came to pass that the armies did march forth against them; and they did pull down their pride and their nobility, insomuch that as they did lift their weapons of war to fight against the men of Moroni they were hewn down and leveled to the earth. And it came to pass that there were four thousand of those dissenters who were hewn down by the sword...

Brutal Killing of Men, Women and Children by Jesus

3 Nephi 8 14-17:

And many great and notable cities were sunk, and many were burned, and many were shaken till the buildings thereof had fallen to the earth, and the inhabitants thereof were slain, and the places were left desolate. And there were some cities which remained; but the damage thereof was exceedingly great, and there were many in them who were slain. And there were some who were carried away in the whirlwind; and whither they went no man knoweth, save they know that they were carried away. And thus the face of the whole earth became deformed, because of the tempests, and the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the quaking of the earth.

Rape and Torture Followed by Cannibalism

Moroni 9:9-10:

And notwithstanding this great aabomination of the Lamanites, it doth not exceed that of our people in Moriantum. For behold, many of the daughters of the Lamanites have they taken prisoners; and after depriving them of that which was most dear and precious above all things, which is chastity and virtue— And after they had done this thing, they did murder them in a most cruel manner, torturing their bodies even unto death; and after they have done this, they devour their flesh like unto wild beasts, because of the hardness of their hearts; and they do it for a token of bravery.

Righteous Spared Jesus' Graphic Cruelty

3 Nephi 10:

13 And they were spared and were not sunk and buried up in the earth; and they were not drowned in the depths of the sea; and they were not burned by fire, neither were they fallen upon and crushed to death; and they were not carried away in the whirlwind; neither were they overpowered by the vapor of smoke and of darkness.

Jesus Directs Hero, Nephi, to Decapitate a Defenseless Drunk

1 Nephi 4:

18 Therefore I did obey the voice of the Spirit, and took Laban by the hair of the head, and I smote off his head with his own sword.

Massacres of Women and Children

Ether 14:

17 Now the name of the brother of Lib was called Shiz. And it came to pass that Shiz pursued after Coriantumr, and he did overthrow many cities, and he did slay both women and children, and he did burn the cities.

Jesus Describes His Burning of the Wicked

3 Nephi 25:1-3

For behold, the day cometh that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble; and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of Hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. But unto you that fear my name, shall the Son of Righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth and grow up as calves in the stall. And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of Hosts.

Horrific Burning Alive of Women and Children According to Jesus's Will

Alma 14: 8-13

And they brought their wives and children together, and whosoever believed or had been taught to believe in the word of God they caused that they should be cast into the fire... And it came to pass that they took Alma and Amulek, and carried them forth to the place of martyrdom, that they might witness the destruction of those who were consumed by fire. And when Amulek saw the pains of the women and children who were consuming in the fire, he also was pained; and he said unto Alma: How can we witness this awful scene? Therefore let us stretch forth our hands, and exercise the power of God which is in us, and save them from the flames. But Alma said unto him: The Spirit constraineth me that I must not stretch forth mine hand... Now Amulek said unto Alma: Behold, perhaps they will burn us also. And Alma said: Be it according to the will of the Lord. But, behold, our work is not finished; therefore they burn us not.

Graphic Decapitation and Death

Ether 15:29-31

And it came to pass that when they had all fallen by the sword, save it were Coriantumr and Shiz, behold Shiz had fainted with the loss of blood.And it came to pass that when Coriantumr had leaned upon his sword, that he rested a little, he smote off the head of Shiz. And it came to pass that after he had smitten off the head of Shiz, that Shiz raised up on his hands and fell; and after that he had struggled for breath, he died.

Disturbing Public Decapitation Murder

Ether 9:

5 And it came to pass that Akish sought the life of his father-in-law; and he applied unto those whom he had sworn by the boath of the ancients, and they obtained the head of his father-in-law, as he sat upon his throne, giving audience to his people.

The Righteous Resort to Scalping Alive as an Object Lesson

Alma 44: 12-14

...one of Moroni’s soldiers... smote Zerahemnah that he took off his scalp and it fell to the earth. And Zerahemnah withdrew from before them into the midst of his soldiers. And it came to pass that the soldier who stood by, who smote off the scalp of Zerahemnah, took up the scalp from off the ground by the hair, and laid it upon the point of his sword, and stretched it forth unto them, saying unto them with a loud voice: Even as this scalp has fallen to the earth, which is the scalp of your chief, so shall ye fall to the earth except ye will deliver up your weapons of war and depart with a covenant of peace.

Jesus Boasting About His Violent Killing and Destruction

3 Nephi 9:3-15

Behold, that great city Zarahemla have I burned with fire, and the inhabitants thereof. And behold, that great city Moroni have I caused to be sunk in the depths of the sea, and the inhabitants thereof to be drowned. And behold, that great city Moronihah have I covered with earth, and the inhabitants thereof... And behold, the city of Gilgal have I caused to be sunk, and the inhabitants thereof to be buried up in the depths of the earth; Yea, and the city of Onihah and the inhabitants thereof, and the city of Mocum and the inhabitants thereof, and the city of Jerusalem and the inhabitants thereof; and waters have I caused to come up in the stead thereof... And behold, the city of Gadiandi, and the city of Gadiomnah, and the city of Jacob, and the city of Gimgimno, all these have I caused to be sunk, and made hills and valleys in the places thereof; and the inhabitants thereof have I buried (alive) up in the depths of the earth... And behold, that great city Jacobugath, which was inhabited by the people of king Jacob, have I caused to be burned with fire... I did cause them to be burned, to destroy them from before my face... And behold, the city of Laman, and the city of Josh, and the city of Gad, and the city of Kishkumen, have I caused to be burned with fire, and the inhabitants thereof... I did send down fire and destroy them... And many great destructions have I caused to come upon this land, and upon this people... Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. I was with the Father from the beginning. I am in the Father, and the Father in me; and in me hath the Father glorified his name.


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To: Elsie
I always enjoy reading them.

Even the '...as long as it's translated correctly.' part?

In all honesty, that's my favorite part. It's absolutely perfect.

When I was a Baptist, that part glaringly caught my attention. The Latter-day Saints were the only ones with the courage to say the Bible has flaws. It's total true. God doesn't punish truth.

Latter-day Saints don't worship the Bible as so many others do.

Not having crosses was another thing that was bold and different. But then I was reminded that the Lord said not to have any graven image before Him.

By the way, God sees all and through out all time. Read this, '...as long as it's translated correctly.' While looking at your NIV version of the Bible.

Only a true prophet would have seen that coming.
41 posted on 04/05/2015 8:03:24 AM PDT by StormPrepper
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To: Elsie
Of course the conflicting and non-Biblical elements of Mormonism Elsie's interpretations are irrelevant to you.

There, fixed it.
42 posted on 04/05/2015 9:04:29 AM PDT by StormPrepper
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To: StormPrepper; Normandy; teppe; WilliamRobert; reaganaut
. The Latter-day Saints were the only ones with the courage to say the Bible has flaws. It's total true. God doesn't punish truth.

Latter-day Saints don't worship the Bible as so many others do.

Something is surely wrong with the Mormon thought process.

Your 'prophet' was told by GOD hisself to CORRECT the KJV.

He did; coming up with the Inspired Version.

And yet, the JST is NOT considered to be SCRIPTURE and the KJV is STILL used.

Can you, or any other Mormon reading this, explain WHY??

43 posted on 04/06/2015 4:24:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: StormPrepper; Normandy; teppe; WilliamRobert; reaganaut
Only a true prophet would have seen that coming.

I hear ya!!





 
"Joseph; I advise you not to go to that jail."
 
"Darn gnats!!"
 
 
"Joseph; I'm telling you to not to go to that jail."
 
"Flies are BAD today!!"
 
 
"Joseph; It ain't gonna be pretty if you ignore me and go to that jail!"
 
"Crummy mosquitos are EVERYWHERE!!!"
 
 
"Joseph!  Do NOT go to that jail!"
 
"And those bedbugs really savaged me last night, too!"
 
 
"JOSEPH!!  Wake up boy!   Do Not Go To That JAIL!!!"
 
"All right Sheriff - here I am, so give me a nice room while my Lawyer, my Advocate, my Comforter presents the LAW to the Judge and I am VINDICATED!!!"
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
...and the rest is history.
 
 
 


44 posted on 04/06/2015 4:26:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: StormPrepper; Normandy; teppe; WilliamRobert; reaganaut
 
 

JESUS: Hey Smith! Remember that boast you made about doing more than even I had done to hold the 'church' together?

JOSEPH SMITH: Where am I?

JESUS: Don't you remember? A few seconds ago you were in that jail.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah; but where am I NOW?

JESUS: Don't you remember? Does bang - bang ring a bell?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah - that crummy gun I had was about USELESS!

JESUS: I hope you left instructions on how to hold your church together.

JOSEPH SMITH: Dang! I knew there was SOMETHING I was forgetting!

JESUS: Looks like there's a power struggle going on down there.

JOSEPH SMITH: Yeah; there was always SOMEone who wanted the power that I held - especially over the LADIES - wink wink.

JESUS: No need to worry about that now; remember what my friend Matthew wrote down?

JOSEPH SMITH: This? “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven” (Matthew 22:30)

JESUS: That's it.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: Nah - it was right.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh well; it was fun while it lasted. My buds will still get it on with the girls.

JESUS: Uh; I'm sorry; in just a few more years; your followers will cavein to the United States government and abandon the 'Eternal Covenant' that you came up with.

JOSEPH SMITH: ME!? YOU are the one that told me to do that!

JESUS: Sorry; but you must have mistranslated what I told you. What part of Do NOT commit ADULTERY did you not understand?

JOSEPH SMITH: mumble....

JESUS: What did you say?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, nothing.

JESUS: Well; it was interesting talking to you; but now I must get back to perparing a place for those who believe in Me.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, yeah; the Celestial Kingdom.

JESUS: No...

JOSEPH SMITH: The Telestial one?

JESUS: Nope.

JOSEPH SMITH: SUREly not the TERRESTRIAL one!!

JESUS: Nope. Didn't you read that the mind of man had NOT conceived of it? Paul wrote it down in 1 Corinthians 2:9.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: No; it wasn't.

JOSEPH SMITH: You SURE?

JESUS: Yes. Now I must be going: what did you say your name was again?

JOSEPH SMITH: Joseph Smith.

JESUS: Hmmmm. According to my Heavenly FAITHbook, you didn't sign in as one of my friends - sorry, I never knew you.

JOSEPH SMITH: But....


45 posted on 04/06/2015 4:27:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: StormPrepper
In all honesty, that's my favorite part. It's absolutely perfect.

...and so forth.

46 posted on 04/06/2015 4:28:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian; Elsie
This Mormon-bashing is counter-productive. Mormons vote conservative. Obama got less than 35% of the Utah vote in 2008. In 2012, when Romney ran, Obama got less than 25%.

The Republic has bigger issues than Mormons, however much you and Elsie like to spend your time bashing them. Like it or not, they are allies against the Dems.

47 posted on 04/06/2015 4:43:37 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Elsie
Do today's Mormons still think that about you? Let's ask some...

Shall I start posting what the Jewish Talmud says about Jesus and Christians? Yes, the Catholics think Protestants are heretics, the Protestants think the same about Catholics, the Jews think that Christianity is a false religion, and lets not get into what the Buddhists and Hindus think about us.

But you just feel compelled to get us all into a circular firing squad leading up to the 2016 elections.

48 posted on 04/06/2015 4:49:25 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Elsie
I'm a bit intolerant; for I believe what Jesus said when the words I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. NO man comes to the Father but by me.

I haven't noticed you preaching that to the Jewish FReepers among us. tell ya what, how about you wander into some of the Jewish threads and have fun with that?

49 posted on 04/06/2015 4:53:16 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625
Papa; you are in the Religion Forum.

There are WAY bigger issues here than mere politics.

50 posted on 04/06/2015 5:19:38 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: PapaBear3625
But you just feel compelled to get us all into a circular firing squad leading up to the 2016 elections.

My 'compulsion'; as you call it; is to get us all into a position that when we each STAND BEFORE GOD; He will have found our names written in the Book of Life.

If you have bigger fish to fry; go catch them!

51 posted on 04/06/2015 5:21:26 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Papa; you are in the Religion Forum. There are WAY bigger issues here than mere politics.

You keep telling yourself that when the next Dem win results in your church being forced to host gay weddings, under penalty of closure and confiscation of building and grounds.

52 posted on 04/06/2015 5:23:13 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625
But you just feel compelled to get us all into a ...

Nice talking point...

 
 
 

Office of First President & Living Prophet®:

February 2nd, 2014

URGENT!

It's been noted there has been a DRASTIC falloff in the number of MORMONs who  actually can (or will) engage in opposing ANTIs on FreeRepulic (spit!)

I am forced to re-issue and old memo you all received about 3 years ago.

 

 

Fellow MORMON Freeper Christians!!

I've been getting lots of feedback from those of you on Free Republic (spit) about certain FReepers who are REALLY giving us a hard time there.
 
Why not try to point out to the uninformed how CONSUMED they seem to be.
 
Let's see if we can tangle them up so much trying to defend their reputation that they'll no longer have as much time to post facts about MORMONism.
 
As always, Tommy M.

53 posted on 04/06/2015 5:23:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: PapaBear3625
I haven't noticed you preaching that to the Jewish FReepers among us.

They have Moses and the Prophets.

They can follow them.

54 posted on 04/06/2015 5:24:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: PapaBear3625
tell ya what, how about you wander into some of the Jewish threads and have fun with that?

I'm not intending on going away.

Best learn to ignore me if you can't stop me.

55 posted on 04/06/2015 5:25:45 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
You said in #32:

>> I will stand up for anyone who wants to practice their religions...Mormon, Catholic...Jewish...<<

Me, too!

And then I'd tell them what the BIBLE teaches.

I'm a bit intolerant; for I believe what Jesus said when the words I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. NO man comes to the Father but by me.

So, for the record, when Jesus said "NO man comes to the Father but by me", do you believe he made an exception for Jews who reject Him? That belief in "Moses and the Prophets" cancels out "NO man comes to the Father but by me"?
56 posted on 04/06/2015 5:31:51 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Elsie
I'm not intending on going away.

Oh, I don't want you to wander away. I'm having so much fun with you. I was just wondering if you would grace the Jewish threads with your presence as well.

57 posted on 04/06/2015 5:33:45 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Elsie; Normandy; teppe; WilliamRobert; reaganaut
And yet, the JST is NOT considered to be SCRIPTURE and the KJV is STILL used.

Can you, or any other Mormon reading this, explain WHY??

I can't speak for the Church or anyone other than myself. We do use the Joseph Smith translation of Matthew as reference material when necessary. And it is considered scripture.

If there's a question about a subject, I have the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great price, Bible, and the huge volume of writings from modern day prophets and Apostles to draw on. And of course prayer.

When I'm looking for answers I'm not restricted to just a single blurb written thousands of years ago.


58 posted on 04/06/2015 7:05:08 AM PDT by StormPrepper
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To: PapaBear3625

I’m sorry; but MY church will NOT be FORCED to do anything.

We will not roll over like the MORMONs did about polygamy.


59 posted on 04/06/2015 11:38:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: PapaBear3625
So, for the record, when Jesus said "NO man comes to the Father but by me", do you believe he made an exception for Jews who reject Him?

Nope.



That belief in "Moses and the Prophets" cancels out "NO man comes to the Father but by me"?

The first statement here is in the spirit of...

 
Mark 7:26-27
 26.  The woman was a Greek, born in Syrian Phoenicia. She begged Jesus to drive the demon out of her daughter.
 27.  "First let the children eat all they want," he told her, "for it is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."

60 posted on 04/06/2015 11:43:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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