LDS Book of Mormon Violence [Mormon Jesus' cross accompanies mass destruction, death]

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[Colofornian]

Is the Book of Mormon too violent for children?

Graphic Murder and Torture

Moroni 9:8

8 And the husbands and fathers of those women and children they have slain; and they feed the women upon the flesh of their husbands, and the children upon the flesh of their fathers; and no water, save a little, do they give unto them.

Bodily Mutilation and Killing by Jesus's Hero, Ammon

Alma 17:

38 Now six of them had fallen by the sling, but he slew none save it were their leader with his sword; and he smote off as many of their arms as were lifted against him, and they were not a few.

Alma 18:16-17

16 And it came to pass that Ammon, being filled with the Spirit of God, therefore he perceived the thoughts of the king. And he said unto him: Is it because thou hast heard that I defended thy servants and thy flocks, and slew seven of their brethren with the sling and with the sword, and smote off the arms of others, in order to defend thy flocks and thy servants; behold, is it this that causeth thy marvelings? I say unto you, what is it, that thy marvelings are so great? Behold, I am a man, and am thy servant; therefore, whatsoever thou desirest which is right, that will I do.

Murders by Javelin

Alma 51:

34 And it came to pass that Teancum stole privily into the tent of the king, and put a javelin to his heart; and he did cause the death of the king immediately that he did not awake his servants.

Alma 62:

36 And it came to pass that Teancum in his anger did go forth into the camp of the Lamanites, and did let himself down over the walls of the city. And he went forth with a cord, from place to place, insomuch that he did find the king; and he did cast a javelin at him, which did pierce him near the heart. But behold, the king did awaken his servants before he died, insomuch that they did pursue Teancum, and slew him.

Jesus Promises Rotting Corpses Will Be Devoured by Animals

Mosiah 12:2

2 Yea, wo be unto this generation! And the Lord said unto me: Stretch forth thy hand and prophesy, saying: Thus saith the Lord, it shall come to pass that this generation, because of their iniquities, shall be brought into bondage, and shall be smitten on the cheek; yea, and shall be driven by men, and shall be slain; and the vultures of the air, and the dogs, yea, and the wild beasts, shall devour their flesh.

Vengeful Massacre by Jesus's Hero, Moroni

Alma 62:

25 And now when Moroni saw that they were fleeing before him, he did cause that his men should march forth against them, and slew many, and surrounded many others, and took them prisoners; and the remainder of them fled into the land of Moroni, which was in the borders by the seashore.

Bodily Remains of Murdered Women and Children Discarded in Sea

Alma 3:2-3

Now many women and children had been slain with the sword, and also many of their flocks and their herds; and also many of their fields of grain were destroyed, for they were trodden down by the hosts of men. And now as many of the Lamanites and the Amlicites who had been slain upon the bank of the river Sidon were cast into the waters of Sidon; and behold their bones are in the depths of the sea, and they are many.

Jesus's Hero, Moroni, Butchers Four Thousand "Dissenters"

Alma 51:18-19

And it came to pass that the armies did march forth against them; and they did pull down their pride and their nobility, insomuch that as they did lift their weapons of war to fight against the men of Moroni they were hewn down and leveled to the earth. And it came to pass that there were four thousand of those dissenters who were hewn down by the sword...

Brutal Killing of Men, Women and Children by Jesus

3 Nephi 8 14-17:

And many great and notable cities were sunk, and many were burned, and many were shaken till the buildings thereof had fallen to the earth, and the inhabitants thereof were slain, and the places were left desolate. And there were some cities which remained; but the damage thereof was exceedingly great, and there were many in them who were slain. And there were some who were carried away in the whirlwind; and whither they went no man knoweth, save they know that they were carried away. And thus the face of the whole earth became deformed, because of the tempests, and the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the quaking of the earth.

Rape and Torture Followed by Cannibalism

Moroni 9:9-10:

And notwithstanding this great aabomination of the Lamanites, it doth not exceed that of our people in Moriantum. For behold, many of the daughters of the Lamanites have they taken prisoners; and after depriving them of that which was most dear and precious above all things, which is chastity and virtue— And after they had done this thing, they did murder them in a most cruel manner, torturing their bodies even unto death; and after they have done this, they devour their flesh like unto wild beasts, because of the hardness of their hearts; and they do it for a token of bravery.

Righteous Spared Jesus' Graphic Cruelty

3 Nephi 10:

13 And they were spared and were not sunk and buried up in the earth; and they were not drowned in the depths of the sea; and they were not burned by fire, neither were they fallen upon and crushed to death; and they were not carried away in the whirlwind; neither were they overpowered by the vapor of smoke and of darkness.

Jesus Directs Hero, Nephi, to Decapitate a Defenseless Drunk

1 Nephi 4:

18 Therefore I did obey the voice of the Spirit, and took Laban by the hair of the head, and I smote off his head with his own sword.

Massacres of Women and Children

Ether 14:

17 Now the name of the brother of Lib was called Shiz. And it came to pass that Shiz pursued after Coriantumr, and he did overthrow many cities, and he did slay both women and children, and he did burn the cities.

Jesus Describes His Burning of the Wicked

3 Nephi 25:1-3

For behold, the day cometh that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble; and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of Hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. But unto you that fear my name, shall the Son of Righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth and grow up as calves in the stall. And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of Hosts.

Horrific Burning Alive of Women and Children According to Jesus's Will

Alma 14: 8-13

And they brought their wives and children together, and whosoever believed or had been taught to believe in the word of God they caused that they should be cast into the fire... And it came to pass that they took Alma and Amulek, and carried them forth to the place of martyrdom, that they might witness the destruction of those who were consumed by fire. And when Amulek saw the pains of the women and children who were consuming in the fire, he also was pained; and he said unto Alma: How can we witness this awful scene? Therefore let us stretch forth our hands, and exercise the power of God which is in us, and save them from the flames. But Alma said unto him: The Spirit constraineth me that I must not stretch forth mine hand... Now Amulek said unto Alma: Behold, perhaps they will burn us also. And Alma said: Be it according to the will of the Lord. But, behold, our work is not finished; therefore they burn us not.

Graphic Decapitation and Death

Ether 15:29-31

And it came to pass that when they had all fallen by the sword, save it were Coriantumr and Shiz, behold Shiz had fainted with the loss of blood.And it came to pass that when Coriantumr had leaned upon his sword, that he rested a little, he smote off the head of Shiz. And it came to pass that after he had smitten off the head of Shiz, that Shiz raised up on his hands and fell; and after that he had struggled for breath, he died.

Disturbing Public Decapitation Murder

Ether 9:

5 And it came to pass that Akish sought the life of his father-in-law; and he applied unto those whom he had sworn by the boath of the ancients, and they obtained the head of his father-in-law, as he sat upon his throne, giving audience to his people.

The Righteous Resort to Scalping Alive as an Object Lesson

Alma 44: 12-14

...one of Moroni’s soldiers... smote Zerahemnah that he took off his scalp and it fell to the earth. And Zerahemnah withdrew from before them into the midst of his soldiers. And it came to pass that the soldier who stood by, who smote off the scalp of Zerahemnah, took up the scalp from off the ground by the hair, and laid it upon the point of his sword, and stretched it forth unto them, saying unto them with a loud voice: Even as this scalp has fallen to the earth, which is the scalp of your chief, so shall ye fall to the earth except ye will deliver up your weapons of war and depart with a covenant of peace.

Jesus Boasting About His Violent Killing and Destruction

3 Nephi 9:3-15

Behold, that great city Zarahemla have I burned with fire, and the inhabitants thereof. And behold, that great city Moroni have I caused to be sunk in the depths of the sea, and the inhabitants thereof to be drowned. And behold, that great city Moronihah have I covered with earth, and the inhabitants thereof... And behold, the city of Gilgal have I caused to be sunk, and the inhabitants thereof to be buried up in the depths of the earth; Yea, and the city of Onihah and the inhabitants thereof, and the city of Mocum and the inhabitants thereof, and the city of Jerusalem and the inhabitants thereof; and waters have I caused to come up in the stead thereof... And behold, the city of Gadiandi, and the city of Gadiomnah, and the city of Jacob, and the city of Gimgimno, all these have I caused to be sunk, and made hills and valleys in the places thereof; and the inhabitants thereof have I buried (alive) up in the depths of the earth... And behold, that great city Jacobugath, which was inhabited by the people of king Jacob, have I caused to be burned with fire... I did cause them to be burned, to destroy them from before my face... And behold, the city of Laman, and the city of Josh, and the city of Gad, and the city of Kishkumen, have I caused to be burned with fire, and the inhabitants thereof... I did send down fire and destroy them... And many great destructions have I caused to come upon this land, and upon this people... Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. I was with the Father from the beginning. I am in the Father, and the Father in me; and in me hath the Father glorified his name.

[Elsie]

It weakens faith

I should HOPE so!

Faith in the HERESY that calls itself Mormonism!!

[Elsie]

This thread does not praise God.

What's holding YOU back from doing so?

[Elsie]

Enough with the Christian bashing.

Enough with the faux moralizing.

[Elsie]

I am not Mormon, and I don't take lightly their false teachings being exposed.

[Elsie]

Yes please Lao- shut up.

Oh NO!!

Please; laotzu; continue to post in this thread.

I need straightmen (I assume) to give me something to play off of.

[Elsie]

all you can do is steal - can’t come up with anything origional.

Let's give Jim a chance to post his 3 minutes worth.

[Colofornian]

Saturn’s day

I presume, then, in all your convos you NEVER reference "Saturday" in light of your comment?

Please explain then how do you get along at work, with family, with friends, in communicating times & dates with them if you steadfastly avoid using all names derived from false gods?

* Monday came from Germanic mythology where the "moon god" = Mani.
* Tuesday comes from Norse mythology re: its one-handed god, Tiw.
* Wednesday comes from the Germanic god Wodan.
* Friday comes from the Anglo-Saxon goddess Frige.
* Saturday comes from the Roman god Saturn (Anglo-Saxon rendering was Sæturnesdæg)
* January - Janus, Roman god of the beginning/doorway
* March - Mars, Roman god of war
* April - unknown, potentially Aphrodite, Greek goddess of love
* May - Maia, Greek goddess of fertility
* June - juno, Roman goddess of protection

So...tell us, delchiante...how you've managed to avoid offending or provoking our Jealous God by avoiding days and months and their names that honor and acknowledge these various pagan gods.

We're all interested in knowing what system you came up with steadfastly (and legalistically, if I might add) avoid such a thing.

And if you can't, may I suggest in the future that you may want to explain your inconsistent selective outrage over certain pagan words -- but not others?

Oh...and don't stop with these calendar days & months, either.

If you have EVER acknowledged April Fool's Day in any way (April 1), do you realize that this day may be a relic of the Roman “Cerealia” – held in honor of Ceres (goddess of agriculture).

And do we not get our very word "cereal" from this goddess? I suppose you legalistically refrain from using the word "cereal" -- or even eating of cereal, eh DEL?

And tell us, Del, how you steadfastly refuse to EVER reference a med prescription as "Rx"...given that the "R" in the symbol "Rx" used by Pharmacists for centuries includes the slant across the "R's leg" = the sign of the Roman god, Jupiter, patron of medicine.

My, my, my. Pagan, pagan, pagan. Have you thus inadvertently honored these gods of Cerealia & Jupiter? (Did you eat a bowl of cereal in the past week, month, or year, ?) Did you rename it first? If not, naughty, naughty, naughty "pagan" of you! [I'm wagging my finger as I type]

[Colofornian]

But if it had been about Luther...

LOL :) ...

[delchiante]

Today is the 5th day of His work week and the 13th day of His month..
That calendar is found in His sky and confirmed in His Word...

The Lamb was to be slain on the 14th day. That is tomorrow.

The Lamb was laid in the tomb and rested on the weekly and annual Sabbath of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. The 15th day of His month. a sunday this year ( Jews in 2014 observed that on a Tuesday a day later than they will this year ( because of their pope approved Saturn day sabbath)

He rose from the grave on the first day of the week, the 16th day of His 1st month.the feast of first fruits. In 2014, that should have been a Wednesday if one observed the passover on a Monday as Jews did.. they use the pope Gregory calendar so their first fruits is always on a Sunday after their pope approved sabbath..

So, the calendar that is detailed in scripture says nothing about a Friday, Saturday or a Sunday..
But scripture does tell us when Passover is, when unleavened bread is, and when first fruits is..

And like I said, today is His 13th day..

Instead of Friday/Saturday/Sunday , this year should be Saturday/Sunday/Monday..

When one rejects the pope Gregory calendar, it becomes clear why Daniel had a prophecy about something in the Roman Kingdom changing times and laws.

And that is why the gospel of Christendom isnt based on scriptures.. but it is based on the Roman catholic catechism and their pope Gregory calendar..

The first reformers called the papacy the seat of Antichrist.. and the pope Antichrist.
And that was before the world used the pope Gregory calendar to set their work and worship schedules..

You ever wonder why passover appears to be on different days year after year even though scripture says He changes not?

I did.. and what He taught me brought to light why the word anti in Greek didn’t just mean ‘opposed’..
It also meant ‘instead of’/’in place of’/substitute..

Apostle Paul never taught good Friday,Saturday, easter Sunday.
That story is Roman, not Hebraic..

And it is fair to say I used to use Antichrist’s calendar (aka pope Gregory calendar) but I know now how much a slave I was..

And the calendar in scripture tells a story that really shows the Word became flesh and dwelt among us..

But I met Him as Jesus and He didn’t let me stay there..
And He didn’t let me hang out in judaism either..

And for the record, revelation 12 will tell you His real birth date too, if you study the free wall calendar He gave us in His sky..

Why stop at just good Friday false doctrine.. go for the other Roman holy day Christmas..
I now know what come out of her my people means. And as a protestant I always thought it was the roman catholic church..
Boy, was I wrong...

[HarleyLady27]

I will stand up for anyone who wants to practice their religions...Mormon, Catholic...Jewish...

There is only one GOD, we all look to Him for guidance, to love, to be a better person, to someday return to Him...

There are only a select few that can’t see what is written because of so much hatred...

When I read the article, I saw hatred, I saw portions taken out of text...you see, I was born and raised here in Utah, being Catholic in the midst of all of this, gave me the will to let them believe the way they want to...

Asked what Mormons think of me? I don’t have to worry about that, I have to worry about what God thinks of me, I am one of his children...so I have lived with this all my life, and its made me a better person for doing so...

[StormPrepper]

The problem you have HarleyLady27 is that you are rational.

And you’re addressing people who aren’t.

[Elsie]

I will stand up for anyone who wants to practice their religions...Mormon, Catholic...Jewish...

Me, too!

And then I'd tell them what the BIBLE teaches.

I'm a bit intolerant; for I believe what Jesus said when the words I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. NO man comes to the Father but by me.

[Elsie]

When I read the article, I saw hatred, I saw portions taken out of text...you see, I was born and raised here in Utah, being Catholic in the midst of all of this, gave me the will to let them believe the way they want to...

Had you out numbered; eh?

Hear this: you are NOT outsmarted!

No doubt you've prayed for these deceived folks over and over.

Being the cantankerous sort; I have the will to point out the non-biblical heresy that pours from SLC.

[Elsie]

And you’re addressing people who aren’t.

I noticed the she did NOT address you.

[Elsie]

I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. NO man comes to the Father but by me.

Articles of Faith

The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.

 

THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541

 

 

1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
   
2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
   
3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
   
4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
   
5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
   
6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
   
7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
   
8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
   
9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
   
10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
    
11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
    
12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
    
13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith

 

[Elsie]

 

 

 

6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.

7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.

 

WHAT???

[StormPrepper]

I noticed the she did NOT address you.

...as your continued predilection for irrelevancy demonstrates.

[StormPrepper]

Articles of Faith

Thank you for posting our Articles of Faith. I always enjoy reading them.

[Elsie]

...as your continued predilection for irrelevancy demonstrates.

Of course the conflicting and non-Biblical elements of Mormonism are irrelevant to you.

[Elsie]

I always enjoy reading them.

Even the '...as long as it's translated correctly.' part?