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How Parents are Stealing the Gift of the Mass from their Children
Aleteia ^ | 3/27/15 | Father Anthony Gerber

Posted on 03/27/2015 2:55:12 PM PDT by BlatherNaut

A parish priest on the troubling news he's learned from kids in the confessional

The Need for Questions in Lent

Lent is a penitential season, a time of purification and of clarification: of being purified of our sins and of clarifying the roots of what has been keeping us from God in the first place.

Purification and clarification can come about through the typical Lenten observances: prayer, almsgiving, and fasting. Fasting, for example, not only acts as an immediate purification of something (ie, a thing is taken away), but it can also clarify in that, as we are feeling the freedom (or the pain) of the purification, we start to ask questions: for example, “why have I felt that I have needed this something in my life”; “what in my life has made me become attached to this”; “what is the root of my sin problem”; and so on.

Questions are crucial when we are striving to get at the root of our actions and when we are trying to better walk in the ways of holiness. The Examination of Conscience, therefore, and all its questions, is a most useful tool in this pursuit for holiness. Often, after a good examination of conscience, I discover that I have forgotten past lessons learned or I discover that I have a certain oversight that I didn’t realize I possessed. Such discoveries, when the results of which are put into daily practice, lead to a greater holiness and integrity of life.

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TOPICS: Catholic
KEYWORDS: catholic; ccd; children; communion; confession; eucharist; mass; parents; rcia; reconciliation; school

1 posted on 03/27/2015 2:55:12 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut

I read it through. I was not surprised by the heartbreaking answers.

I was surprised at the priest. Blaming the parents is one thing, and he is correct as far as it goes, but what surprised me is his own guilt and helplessness, unwilling to take hold of his own parish, jerk the RCIA and the CCD around and get them teaching how to BE Catholic.

Is he one of those priests who ambles about on the floor like a TV preacher, bringing down himself and his own homily to the not-that-special-but-plenty-chummy style that is so common today. Nothing to see here, folks, just move along... (toward Hell).

There is no Gospel Reading, or OT reading, that is not a marvelous catechesis in itself, often already taught best by the Early Fathers or the saints of old. Are their old sermons shared, or at least used as a basis for teaching in his homily, or does he order the empty crap from California that he then simply reads, and bores the socks off everyone?

He is likely as guilty as the parents for depriving and starving the flock, or he wouldn’t be asking “what can be done”?


2 posted on 03/27/2015 3:25:12 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: RitaOK

Just went to a new parish Mass last night. Phew! Certainly Catholic priests are not usually the great preachers you find in other denominations but this man was asleep on his feet. His “sermon” was something about Steve Jobs - I’m still not clear what the point was. And then when a sloppy woman started handing out Holy Communion...


3 posted on 03/27/2015 3:37:09 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: "I should like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: RitaOK
Are their old sermons shared, or at least used as a basis for teaching in his homily, or does he order the empty crap from California that he then simply reads, and bores the socks off everyone?

Good question.

Speaking of the garbage emanating from California, Louie Verrechio has posted a video exposing the ludicrous antics at the faux religious ed conference in LA.

A masterstroke of evil genius

4 posted on 03/27/2015 3:43:23 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut
Parents, do you know that you children cry in my confessional because you are not taking them to Mass? Parents, do you know that your seventh-grade child has a killed conscience, the victim of indifference? Parents, do you know that if you continue in the way you are going, you will not see your kids married in the Church, they will likely not have kids, and all of this time and money you are spending is really wasted?

A priest with guts. I like it.

5 posted on 03/27/2015 4:58:18 PM PDT by piusv
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To: miss marmelstein

We are sitting there enduring nearly blasphemy and an intolerable desecration of piety at every mass. How long, I wonder, do we keep quiet and risk our own salvation for doing so. That is what I am wondering. These priests should be ashamed. We are without shepherds entirely.

It is mortal combat to beg for a Tridentine Mass, because it is so openly despised by the clerics and bishops. The reaction is personal, as if you had spit on their shoe. Disgusting.

I hold on painfully for the blessed Holy Eucharist, and pray for either blindness against what I witness, or the courage to raise hell about it. I hear no answer, so far.
Perhaps God intends to strike against it, Himself.


6 posted on 03/27/2015 5:59:56 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: piusv

No guts, there. Ping #2


7 posted on 03/27/2015 6:00:59 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: BlatherNaut

That whole article needs to be posted.


8 posted on 03/27/2015 6:08:44 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: BlatherNaut

Thanks... I think. I got 3:39 in, out of ten minutes.

Thankfully, what I attend is no where near that bad, but it would likely serve to so dilute the faith, that one COULD get to the point of attending one that bad.


9 posted on 03/27/2015 6:10:52 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: RitaOK

I’m confused...what are you trying to say?


10 posted on 03/28/2015 5:12:04 AM PDT by piusv
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To: RitaOK

Nevermind..I see you were directing me to your post #2.

I see what you are saying, but I’m not sure we know enough about this priest to make that judgment. Of course, he is a Novus Ordo priest so chances are he fits that mold, but we just don’t know.


11 posted on 03/28/2015 6:36:24 AM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv

:)

I was taught that problems come from the top, usually, and when they don’t, when they start at the bottom, it depends mightily on how the top reacts to the problem, and how they correct it, or not. They may choose to fail at correction, or to ignore, or to tolerate.

Either way, the priest does not get a pass.


12 posted on 03/28/2015 9:19:53 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: BlatherNaut; Tax-chick; GregB; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...
FULL TEXT - the full text takes you through the evolution from one year to the next.


The Need for Questions in Lent

 
Lent is a penitential season, a time of purification and of clarification: of being purified of our sins and of clarifying the roots of what has been keeping us from God in the first place. 
 
Purification and clarification can come about through the typical Lenten observances: prayer, almsgiving, and fasting. Fasting, for example, not only acts as an immediate purification of something (ie, a thing is taken away), but it can also clarify in that, as we are feeling the freedom (or the pain) of the purification, we start to ask questions: for example, “why have I felt that I have needed this something in my life”; “what in my life has made me become attached to this”; “what is the root of my sin problem”; and so on.
 
Questions are crucial when we are striving to get at the root of our actions and when we are trying to better walk in the ways of holiness. The Examination of Conscience, therefore, and all its questions, is a most useful tool in this pursuit for holiness. Often, after a good examination of conscience, I discover that I have forgotten past lessons learned or I discover that I have a certain oversight that I didn’t realize I possessed. Such discoveries, when the results of which are put into daily practice, lead to a greater holiness and integrity of life.

Questions in the Confessional

For the first couple years as a priest, I would go through the usual Lenten ritual of sitting in the confessional for hours at a time, hearing various parishes kids’ confessions during school. And every year, I would hear the same litany of sins: “I was mean to my brother; I lied; I didn’t do what my mom told me to do; I said a bad word; and… I didn’t go to Mass.”
 
As a young priest, I wasn’t yet jaded to simply chalk this up to the typical child’s confession. So, a little surprised that  a child didn’t go, I asked a simple question: “Why didn’t you go to Mass?”
 
And the kids would answer in one of three ways: “Because I had a [sporting event/vacation]”; “Because we slept in”; or (and most frequently): “Because my parents don’t take me.”
 
“Because my parents don’t take me.”
 
I would hear that answer a lot. And what really struck me about this—what really shook me to the core—was not simply the frequency that this was said, but that most of the children were saying this with a deep sorrow in their heart and a deep longing to go to Mass. They knew they were supposed to be at Mass and they thought that t hey themselves were to blame for their not going. They didn’t yet realize that if their parents didn’t take them, then it wasn’t their (the kids’ fault), but the parents. 
 
Quietly, there began to develop a righteous anger in me at the parents and a desire to “propose” certain questions to our parents, questions such as “Do you realize the impact you are having? Do you realize the sorrow that you are bringing to your child’s heart?”
 
But those questions I kept to myself. And the anger I brought to prayer and the tempering that experience would likely bring. Maybe I had an oversight; maybe I was being harsh and not compassionate. My anger subsided into a kind of pity for the whole situation.
 
Cultivating Indifferent Consciences
 
That is, until last year. Last year, I started to notice that, by the time the kids were in the seventh grade, they would confess this sin of missing Holy Mass with a kind of nonchalance. They would go through their litany of sins, but totally dispassionate. Some would even confess with a smile on their face. Why was this? During their earlier years, they confessed this with sorrow. But now, with lukewarmness? Why?

I started to think about this and I came to the following reason: at some point during the past few years, the child felt that she had to choose. She felt, in her limited and child-like understanding of things, that she had to choose between God and parent: to love God and upset the parents or to love parents and hope that God would be ok with not-choosing Him.

 
It’s a child’s hope. But it is a hope that easy devolves into presumption. And presumption accounts for the disappearance of the sorrow. If God doesn’t mind if we miss Mass, then why should we feel sorrow for it? 
 
This presumption would further devolve into indifference when the child realizes that her parents—the parents whom she chose over God—are indifferent to Holy Mass.
 
So, by the time the child is in seventh grade, she sees both God and parents as indifferent to Holy Mass. Conclusion: Mass couldn’t be  that important as to call missing it a “sin”—much less a sin to be sorry about.
 
By the example of their parents and by the love the children have for them, the kids’ consciences were slowly killed—and with it, any sense of sin and sorrow for it.
 
Questioning the Indifference

At which point, I was angry again. But it wasn’t a righteous anger at the parents. It was an anger of helplessness. I didn’t see how this situation could possibly be remedied without some kind of miracle. I was angry that there had been decades of indifference and that it seemed as though no one had done anything about it.
 
So I tried doing something about it: invitations to confessions, hearing confessions more, treating it as important, teaching on the Holy Mass, etc. I even—when giving the kids their penance—I even told them to offer prayers for their parents.
 
And there was some improvement. But I was still very much swimming against the stream.
 
I too was tempted to think that maybe this is just how things are and maybe this is all part of the whole becoming a “smaller Church” thing that Pope Benedict had talked about.
 
Until this year.
 
This year, I heard confessions all throughout the Archdiocese. And I had long ago stopped asking why kids were missing Sunday Mass. I knew the answer to that question. But I started asking a new question:
 
When was the last time you received the Eucharist?
 
That’s a different question. And that’s a whole lot different than simply asking about whether one is going to Mass. This question puts the crosshairs square on the target: on receiving Jesus.
 
When was the last time you received Jesus?
 
Indifferent Answers and Answering Indifference
 
I wasn’t ready for the answers I received. On average, fourth- and fifth-graders have not received Jesus since their first holy communion… in second grade. That’s two to three years without receiving Jesus.
 
I wasn’t angry any more. I was sad. I was deeply sad for the kids who haven’t had Jesus for two or more years.
 
When the seventh- and eighth-graders started coming to me for confessions, I started to ask them the same question: when was the last time you received the Eucharist. For the vast majority, it had been over a year. For some, it had been a full five years—again, since first communion.
 
Some seventh- and eighth-graders would smile as they told me that. At which point I would echo their answer:  it has been five years since you have received Jesus.
 
And I added a new question:
 
Isn’t that sad?
 
Immediately, their conscience—just as it was way back when—was alive again. Every single one admitted that it was sad. Lukewarmness became sorrow again. And they missed Jesus. They knew it. 
 
And maybe that might be seen as mean of me. But I am trying to keep their consciences alive. Trying to keep alive the notion that Mass is important. A notion that is being killed Sunday after Sunday by the example of their parents.

Trying to Find Answers to the Usual Questions

 
A couple years ago, I did an (anonymous) study at a Catholic day-school. I asked seventh graders a few questions. Those questions were:
 
1)  How often do you go to Mass?
2)  When was the last time you went to Holy Mass?
3)  When was the last time you went to Sunday Mass?
4)   How often do you go to Sunday Mass? [options: every Sunday, once a month, twice a year, twice a year or less, never]
 
Every child said that they went to Mass every week. On “Tuesday” (which was the day the kids went at school). 30% said they had gone to Mass in the last month. 70% said they go to Mass twice a year or less or never.
 
I did the same survey with the CCD program. And the results—save the part about going to Mass every week at school—were the same.
 
That probably would shock most day-school parents. It shocks every engaged couple that I’m preparing for marriage. Every time, the engaged couple says, “That’s odd. I thought that day school families would be going to Mass more than the CCD families. Seems like a waste of money otherwise.” 
 
The natural question to ask here is: Why?
 
Why—not only why day-school and CCD families’ sacramental lives are nearly the same (despite one group spending thousands of dollars on the particular parish school), but also why some have the erroneous perception that day-school families are more faithful than CCD families.
 
A few months ago, I stopped asking why people aren’t going to Mass. After all, the answers to that question are usual and somewhat obvious: liturgical banality, secularization and frenetic pace of life, lack of examples of integrity of life and joy of faith, the killing of conscience, etc.
 
And I’ve learned that, sometimes, when we ask the same questions and get the same answers, maybe it is time to ask new questions.
 
I’ve also stopped asking questions about what I should do about it. Because, it’s not a matter of what I should do,  it’s a matter of what people think they should do about it. And, right now, 70% of day-school and CCD parents believe this is not something to do anything about. 
 
So, like Lent, different questions should be asked before we embark on projects that we think will solve the problem. But they are questions that I do not ask myself, but I think we should ask the parents. I’ve answered them for myself already. It is now time for parents to answer them. Here they are:
 
Parents, do you know that you children cry in my confessional because you are not taking them to Mass?
 
Parents, do you know that your seventh-grade child has a killed conscience, the victim of indifference?
 
Parents, do you know that if you continue in the way you are going, you will not see your kids married in the Church, they will likely not have kids, and all of this time and money you are spending is really wasted?
 
And parents, isn’t that… sad?
 
Maybe the parents’ consciences were killed long ago too. Maybe an examination is in order—an examination with questions meant to clarify and purify.
 
Maybe then we can ask the next logical question, which is: What should we do about it?

13 posted on 03/29/2015 2:48:28 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice - what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: miss marmelstein

They cut the passion reading in half today last year it was a sit down. Vacant make the people suffer. Message is ‘this is not important. What you people think is important is important’

Priest is not in charge the people are. The cantor showed up during the intro. Guitar in hand interrupting the prayer and wearing below the knee faded denim shorts baggy Tee shirt. Big b ball shoes The cantor on Palm Sunday.

The order is broken the priest will not take charge and the congregation is not allowed to correct each other This government take over of society leeches down to this

The authority comes from above. Yet it doesn’t

And the priests are fluffing around as if to say ‘this is something like what we used to do before the laity told us to stop and that mass has to be entertaining.

And there are very few priests now

How can they not see their responsibility in this mess ?

The lack of authority and direction. It’s as if they don’t like Catholicism either

Every one of them should emulate good holy priests

Half the Catholics in the us votes pro abortion foisting this mess on us

Out of order

Bad behavior is exalted even at mass


14 posted on 03/29/2015 3:53:33 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne

And there is the other side of the coin.

Complete passion read.
\While people stood.

Choir in red and black — singing appropriate music. Only one was from OCP.

Very solemn sung Mass by the priest.


15 posted on 03/29/2015 4:03:43 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

I pray that priests realize this is what’s needed to bring young people into proper solemnity and to lead parents. We are not all solemnity all the time. We’re good with a k of c fish fry with a keg of beer or a teen dance a three day wedding celebration sports entertainer etc

Mass is mass. They need to take it back, provide the authority


16 posted on 03/29/2015 4:09:40 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne

Yeah, it’s a disgrace.


17 posted on 03/30/2015 5:05:06 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: "I should like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: BlatherNaut
The article makes a good point, but is anyone else bothered by the fact that the priest is publicly talking about things he heard in the confessional?
I thought that was strictly forbidden...
18 posted on 03/30/2015 8:01:36 AM PDT by chud
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To: chud
I thought that was strictly forbidden...

As long as he's talking in a very indirect way about confessions in general that would never lead back to the penitent it's ok.

If he were to say "this morning one of the school kids told me he kicked a dent into his mother's red grand voyager" then there would definitely be a problem to address.

19 posted on 03/30/2015 8:15:17 AM PDT by Legatus (I think, therefore you're out of your mind)
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