Posted on 03/20/2015 6:18:32 PM PDT by RnMomof7
No, Christ will not die tomorrow. He died once for all almost 2000 years ago for our sins: “For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God” (1 Peter 3:18). No, He will not die again: “knowing that Christ having been raised up from among [the] dead dies no more: death has dominion over him no more.” (Romans 6:9) Yes, He has risen once for all! And by their carnal traditions men teach people that Christ dies again and again each year, and then with this same carnal corruption they make wars with each other because of their contradictory traditions, and then with the same carnal mind they seek to be united with ungodly principles, under the flag of the Antichrist, under the principles of Ecumenism. Their followers are learning that Christ dies again and again, so death has dominion over their false christ, therefore they still walk in death, and not in newness of life, and sin is master over them. No… no, dear brothers… Christ has risen! He has risen once for all! He will not die again anymore! Death has no dominion over Him! It was because of our sins that He died, and not because of any sin in Him! And all those who have this truth in their hearts by faith will reign with Him! They do not kill Him again and again! They have risen with Him to walk in newness of life, so they will never die in sin again: “We have been buried therefore with him by baptism unto death, in order that, even as Christ has been raised up from among [the] dead by the glory of the Father, so we also should walk in newness of life.” (Romans 6:4) If we have the true faith in Christ, then we are united with Him by baptism unto death, so we walk in newness of life, because sin has no dominion over us anymore just as death has no dominion over our Lord anymore: “For sin shall not have dominion over you, for ye are not under law but under grace.” (Romans 6:14) But those who do not have this true faith in Christ, then how will they reign with Him? No, they will fall, like those rocky places where the seed of the sower fell: “But he that is sown on the rocky places — this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy, but has no root in himself, but is for a time only; and when tribulation or persecution happens on account of the word, he is immediately offended.” (Matthew 13:20-21) They will fall like those among the thorns: “And the one on whom seed was sown among the thorns, this is the man who hears the word, and the worry of the world and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful.” (Matthew 13:22) This is a dead faith. But those who have put their trust on the once-for-all Sacrifice of the cross know by faith that Christ has risen. It is through this faith alone that they are made alive by the Grace of God alone; they have eternal life: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, that he that hears my word, and believes him that has sent me, has life eternal, and does not come into judgment, but is passed out of death into life. Verily, verily, I say unto you, that an hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God, and they that have heard shall live.” (John 5:24-25) Notice that “now is“… This is indeed the first resurrection, when they hear the voice of the Son of God, and all those who hear LIVE: “And I saw thrones; and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them; and the souls of those beheaded on account of the testimony of Jesus, and on account of the word of God; and those who had not done homage to the beast nor to his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and hand; and they lived and reigned with the Christ a thousand years: the rest of the dead did not live till the thousand years had been completed. This [is] the first resurrection. Blessed and holy he who has part in the first resurrection: over these the second death has no power; but they shall be priests of God and of the Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.” (Revelation 20:4-6) Yes, only over these sin shall not have dominion, because only these have the life of Christ in them; they are all those true Christians who live and reign with Christ, although in flesh they are persecuted and killed for their testimony! As they hear the voice of the Son of God, they live once for all and reign with Him; this is the first resurrection. Of course those who believe in a christ who dies again and again every year, and even every week and day, do not rise yet in this first resurrection; they are under the dominion of sin and death; they serve as slaves; they can’t reign with Christ like the elect: “Since therefore the children partake of blood and flesh, he also, in like manner, took part in the same, that through death he might annul him who has the might of death, that is, the devil; and might set free all those who through fear of death through the whole of their life were subject to bondage.” (Hebrews 2:14-15)
If you are still in your sins and you do not have Christ by faith, then you are a slave of sin, even though you may think that you are free: “They answered him, We are Abraham’s seed, and have never been under bondage to any one; how sayest thou, Ye shall become free? Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say to you, Every one that practises sin is the bondman of sin. Now the bondman abides not in the house for ever: the son abides for ever. If therefore the Son shall set you free, ye shall be really free.” (John 8:33-36)
Repent, turn to God by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. He is the only Savior.
No does He need to be "offered" over and over.
Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
That’s because the people who want to call Mary “Mother of Jesus” instead of “Mother of God” historically did it to knock Jesus down a notch or two, from “God” to “not quite God, not really”.
Well, that’s fine, because we don’t offer him over and over, but only make that one offering, which is eternal in the heavenly holy of holies (Heb 9:24), present to us in time.
What utter nonsense. So Jesus is still dying on that cross "present to us in time"? No wonder the Catholic Church keeps Jesus on that cross and Jesus as a baby in Mary's arms. What utter blasphemy. Christ died "once for all". Not continually throughout all time.
No Rominists think He dies daily on their altars
The "mass" is "the self same" sacrifice as Calvary ...over and over and over..
"Hence the Mass, the Lord's Supper, is at the same time and inseparably: a sacrifice in which the sacrifice of the cross is perpetuated (Vatican Council II, p. 102).
"Christ's own association of what he did at the Last Supper with what he was to do on Good Friday has been the Church's own norm for intimately relating the two. The sacrifice of the altar, then is no mere empty commemoration of Calvary, but a true and proper act of sacrifice, whereby Christ is the high priest by an unbloody immolation offers himself a most acceptable victim to the eternal Father, as he did on the cross. 'It is one and the same victim; the same person now offers it by the ministry of his priests, who then offered himself on the cross. Only the manner of offering is different.' ... Worth stressing is that what makes the Mass a sacrifice is that Christ is a living human being with a human will, still capable of offering (hence priest) and being offered (hence victim), no less truly today than occurred on the cross. (John Hardon, The Catholic Catechism, pp. 465-66) (cf. Heb. 10:12-18).
Scripture on the other hand says a single sacrifice good for all time.
Hebrews 10:12 But our High Priest offered himself to God as a single sacrifice for sins, good for all time. Then he sat down in the place of honor at God's right hand.
Not an ongoing sacrifice needing to be continually offered with Jesus still the victim.
I predict there will be exactly zero Catholics who address each of these quotes concerning Mary.
Good post.
HUH?
John 2:3-5
And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
Sneaky them bible writers are!!!
I would like to know who thinks IHS dies on Good Friday. It seems funny to have an article declaiming against an idea which nobody seems to have.
Consequently, they don't have a coherent idea of time, and they think "eternity" can only be an infinite extent of time. Not having an examined view of time, they make statements which THEY seem to think accurately represent Catholic thought. But since they fail even to be caricatures of, say, Scholastic Realism, there's -- as they say -- no "there there." There's nothing to grip.
So one is left wondering what the point was.
And not only that, but let's suppose that Catholics are tangled in some demon's web of philosophy. Is there no one in your fellowship who cares enough to UNDERSTAND our errors well enough, first, to state them in language we recognize and, second, to address them with something other than abuse and straw men?
Or is the call to go out into all the world and preach the Gospel obediently answered by incoherent and largely false denunciations of things the Catholic Church doesn't teach?
But this is similar. Is the idea that since we feelthy Papists are doomed anyway, you all might as well anticipate our eternal -- excuse me, I mean "infinitely long" -- suffering by afflicting us with abusive lies now before we die? If so, have at it, I suppose.
But what a funny way to spend one's time!
Okay. That contains an internal contradiction. Maybe.
It hinges on the meaning of "Self same." My contention is that it cannot BOTH be "self same" and "over and over and over."
For:
Consider the Port Jefferson to Jamaica train, the 7:04. In many respects, every day it is the same. It follows the same route at the same time. It might even have the same locomotive and passenger cars.
BUT, in one respect the trains are not "self same." THAT was the Monday 7:04. And THIS is the TUESDAY 7:04.
And that is what we do NOT think about the Mass. It cannot be "over and over and over." That would be the Monday 7:04 and then the Tuesday 7:04. That would be repetition -- the very thing both sides deprecate.
Our claim (and even Calvin understood this at least a little) is that the Mass is a LITTLE like a time machine. Or kinda like an elevator, maybe.
I am told that Calvin says that when we say "Lift up your hearts," we are "lifted" to heaven, where the one sacrifice is not repeated but is an eternal fact in the eternal present.
For us, the Mass is "out of time." So there can be no repetition, no "again." It's always the Monday 7:04, and never the Tuesday.
Another way to say it, not rigorously but to convey the idea, is this. God has no past or future. All times are Now to Him, and all places Here.
It is we in our created weakness who need the ONE truth spread over time. God is not so limited.
The problem is that those who disagree with us slip -- as we see it -- into thinking that God himself is subject to time. They don't mean it; they're not aware of it, but they seem to think that Chronos, not Jehovah, is TRULY Lord.
So the criticism of our teaching is based on idolatry! We, by contrast, think not that Jehovah is bound by time, but time is bound by Jehovah. For us, the Mass is one way the God shares his power over time with us. For you, that's impossible.
We're monotheists. We think The Holy One of Israel is truly Lord. Your arguments and objections suggest you think that Chronos is.
Ya break me UP
LOL!
The charge is rapidly blown away, like smoke.
So the subject is changed to another charge based on a misunderstanding. I address the misunderstanding and ... conversation stops.
What's the point?
24 posted on Saturday, March 21, 2015 6:22:19 AM by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
If your tagline kept going, it would probably end "...Jesus Christ, and him crucified"--not something like "...Jesus Christ, and him risen only," even though Paul knew perfectly well that Jesus wasn't still on the cross. All this is not to take any particular stance concerning the subject of your earlier discussion ("present to us in time"), but I always notice the missing words at the end of the tagline, and after some posts they're especially noticeable.
(Just a little earlier: "For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God...For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.")
I tested something: although the available space for a tagline has disappointed me before, there is enough room to add those words. In this space, I can even either add quotation marks or write out "1 Corinthians," though not both. (Even so, "1 Cor." should suffice for a readership familiar enough with such abbreviations or at least savvy enough to check what it means. But if even I can recognize the verse, a citation shouldn't be strictly necessary.)
IHS is Jesus’ name. Not what you say it is at all.
The Holy Name of Jesus
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