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To: zek157

“Help me understand a little.”

I don’t believe you can at this time.

“Not sure why God would give us an un-perfect gift that can be taken back?”

Who said it would be taken back?

“I would have thought the Son’s blood would have caused a permanent washing for everything past, present and future?”

So God forces people into Heaven you’re saying?

“Is it a one time deal where you screw up and you get kicked off the bus?”

Why is it on a bus?

Ever read this book by a Protestant?: http://www.amazon.com/The-Believers-Conditional-Security-Eternal/dp/0963907689


44 posted on 02/02/2015 10:50:41 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

A gift has to be accepted, leaving it on the table isn’t accepting is it? Seatbelts are optional (conditional?) too. One can believe in the utility of seatbelts in general, but fail to use one. Failure to implement seatbelt use might also find one abruptly meeting the windshield at 50 mph. through my question I thought we were supposed to be talking about believing Christians and not unbelievers? Nobody is forced to do anything including eternal salvation.

It seems as though you brought up the point that people are not OSAS, as I actually believe, “OSAS is a Protestant doctrine. It is not an orthodox Christian doctrine”. Sorry if there was a poor understanding of what you said. I did take it as you intended to say salvation is conditional upon a person’s deeds. I have no time to watch the youtube link at the moment.

Let’s try to get on the same terminology. I take conditional to be something that can be taken away. For that, I made the reference to taking away, or screwing up one’s salvation. What does one do to get saved and remain in that state? Is it not trust & acceptance of the shed blood along with a genuine repentance followed by works?

Again, help me out determining the common ground, if there’s any.


48 posted on 02/02/2015 11:30:40 AM PST by zek157
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