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Error Begets Error
catholic.com ^ | March 3, 2013 | Tim Staples

Posted on 02/02/2015 8:15:08 AM PST by Morgana

It is no secret that Martin Luther eliminated all works as having anything to do with our justification/salvation. In what most call his “greatest work,” The Bondage of the Will, Luther commented on St. Paul’s Letter to the Romans:

The assertion that justification is free to all that are justified leaves none to work, merit or prepare themselves… For if we are justified without works, all works are condemned, whether small or great; Paul exempts none, but thunders impartially against all.

Paul’s point in saying justification is a free gift was not to eliminate works as necessary for salvation in all categories. Men must, for example, choose to open the free gift (see II Cor. 6:1). St. Paul was answering “Judaizers”—believers in Christ who were attempting to re-establish the law of the Old Covenant as necessary for salvation in the New. This was tantamount to forfeiting Christ, or rejecting the free gift, because it represented an attempt to be justified apart from Christ. Paul says, in Galatians 5:4-7 and 2:18, those Christians who were being led astray in this way had “fallen away from grace” precisely because they were attempting to “build up again” the law that had been “torn down” through the cross of Christ.

You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. For through the Spirit, by faith, we wait for the hope of righteousness. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision is of any avail, but faith working through love. You were running well; who hindered you from obeying the truth (Gal. 5:4-7)?

For St. Paul, any works done either before entering into Christ or apart from Christ profit nothing. But works done in Christ are a different story. Before Christ, unregenerate men are “dead in trespasses and sins,” and “by nature children of wrath,” as Paul writes in Ephesians 2:1-3. But after entering into Christ, Phillipians 4:13 says, “I can do all things in [Christ] who strengthens me.” And according to Romans 2:6-7, “all things” includes meriting eternal life.

A Compounding Problem

Unfortunately, Luther’s error did not cease with bad exegesis of St. Paul. As is so often the case, one error leads not just to one more but to a litany. For example, Luther was so consumed with the notion that man can have nothing to do with his own salvation—no works—he claimed any belief that man must actively cooperate in salvation at all to be equivalent to a denial of the sufficiency of Christ’s sacrifice. In one of his sermons, Luther declared:

[Catholics] know very well how to say of him: I believe in God the Father, and in his only begotten Son. But it is only upon the tongue, like the foam on the water; it does not enter the heart. Figuratively a big tumor still remains there in the heart; that is, they cling somewhat to their own deeds and think they must do works in order to be saved—that Christ's person and merit are not sufficient. . . . They say, Christ has truly died for us, but in a way that we, also, must accomplish something by our deeds. Notice how deeply wickedness and unbelief are rooted in the heart.

Saying man must “accomplish something” in Christ does not deny the sufficiency of Christ’s sacrifice; it merely states, in agreement with St. John no less, that man must, among other things, “walk in the light” of Christ in order for Christ’s all-sufficient sacrifice to become efficacious in his life:

If we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin… If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness (I John 1:7-9).

Notice, we must walk, and we must confess.

The errors continue in The Bondage of the Will when Luther takes the next logical step by declaring man’s will to be absolutely passive when it comes to salvation; and consequent to that, he expressly denies the truth of man’s free will. This again follows logically from the principle of "no works," meaning there is nothing we can do, leading to two-for-one errors.

So man’s will is like a beast standing between two riders. If God rides, it wills and goes where God wills. . . . If Satan rides, it wills and goes where Satan wills. Nor may it choose to which rider it will run, or which it will seek; but the riders themselves fight to decide who shall have and hold it.

Luther’s famous notion of simul justus et peccator (“at the same time just and sinner”) is another error rooted in leaving man completely out of the equation when it comes to his own justification. It means, in effect, man's justification is accomplished extrinsic to him. God declares a man just via a divine, forensic declaration—a legal fiction—rather than the biblical notion of a real inward transformation that makes him truly and inwardly just (cf. II Cor. 5:17).

Moreover, if it is grave error to acknowledge man has a causal role in his own salvation, claiming other members of the body of Christ have a role would be equally errant. There goes an essential element of the communion of saints. St. Paul obviously did not get the memo here, because he wrote: “Take heed to yourself and to your teaching; hold to that, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers” (I Tim. 4:16).

There are many other errors we could add to this litany of Lutheran misstandings, but what I would argue to be Luther’s most egregious errors came as a direct consequence of his denial of free will. Think about it. If you deny free will, but you also teach that at least some people will end up in hell—and Luther did just that—then it necessarily follows that God does not will all to be saved. This is logical if you accept Luther's first principles. The problem is it runs contrary to plain biblical texts like I Tim. 2:4: “God wills all to be saved” (see also II Peter 3:9: I John 2:1-2), and Matthew 23:37, which records the words of our Lord himself:

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, killing the prophets. . . . How often would I have gathered your children . . . and you would not!

Interestingly enough, in The Bondage of the Will, Luther attempts a response to this last text that becomes quite telling:

Here, God Incarnate (sic) says: “I would and thou wouldst not.” God Incarnate (sic), I repeat, was sent for this purpose, to will, say, do, suffer, and offer to all men, all that is necessary for salvation; albeit he offends many who, being abandoned or hardened by God’s secret will of Majesty, do not receive Him thus willing, speaking, doing, and offering. . . . It belongs to the same God incarnate to weep, lament, and groan over the perdition of the ungodly, though that will of Majesty purposely leaves and reprobates some to perish.

So what is Luther’s response to Jesus’ obvious willing all to be saved? Certainly, he would acquiesce to the Master and acknowledge God's universal salvific will, would he not? After all, Jesus Christ is, in one sense, the will of God manifest in the flesh. Unfortunately not. Luther claimed Christ's human knowledge to be lacking when it came to understanding "God's secret will of Majesty," which led our Lord's human will to find itself in opposition to the divine will. Poor Jesus. If he only knew what Luther knew.

We could multiply texts like “He who has seen me has seen the Father” (John 14:9), or “No one knows the Father except the Son” (Matt. 11:27) that render this kind of thinking untenable. We could talk about the Hypostatic Union. But that would go beyond what we can do in this short article.

In the final analysis, we see here in Martin Luther the old addage, error begets error, painfully pellucid. What began in denying man has anything to do with his own salvation ends with problems Christological stretching from here to eternity . . . literally.


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To: Gamecock

Hehehe, I was just joshing. I noticed you have 10 years here on me but I’m over 22,000 already. I must have no life or something. Yet still the larder is full of home canned goods like vegetables, meat, pickles and all that all grown myself and canned myself. The freezer is full of home grown meat and I am just about finished building my shop myself. So I do have some form of life outside of here.


61 posted on 02/02/2015 12:22:50 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Works meant the same thing to the Jew 2,000 years ago?
I thought works - law according to the Jew


62 posted on 02/02/2015 12:23:01 PM PST by winodog (hang on tight to Gods salvation)
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To: vladimir998

***Grace builds on nature.***

Grace regenerates.


63 posted on 02/02/2015 12:26:34 PM PST by Gamecock (CELEBRATING 25,000 POSTS!)
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To: Gamecock

“Grace regenerates.”

Yes, and it builds. We were created in His image. We were not created to be evil. A Calvinist, however, will focus on depravity.


64 posted on 02/02/2015 12:29:39 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

I adhere to the Bible, not to Spurgeon or any other theologian. On each point, if they agree with the Bible, I agree with them. If not, I don’t.

Now we’re just playing word games with the word will.

A man is “made willing” ?

That implies he was not willing in the first place, otherwise why would he need to be “made” willing ?

So, in truth, it was against the man’s will. Then the Holy Ghost changed his will.

I guess then we get into defining the word will.

Word games.

And this is unscriptural:

“A mighty grace which he does not wish to resist enters into the man”

because every man is a sinner, and, left up to him, he would reject God.

If that were not the case, some sinners could boast that they are saved because they were righteous enough to “do the right thing” and “let God” save them.

Ephesians 2

“8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.”


65 posted on 02/02/2015 12:35:30 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

“I adhere to the Bible,”

I see no evidence of that.

” not to Spurgeon or any other theologian. On each point, if they agree with the Bible, I agree with them. If not, I don’t.”

So you’re saying Spurgeon was anti-biblical? He believed in sola scriptura. You probably do too. Yet you can’t agree?


66 posted on 02/02/2015 12:37:06 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
We were created in His image.

And were totally corrupted on that horrible day. We died that day.

A Calvinist, however, will focus on depravity.

Romans 8:7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot.

67 posted on 02/02/2015 12:45:35 PM PST by Gamecock (CELEBRATING 25,000 POSTS!)
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To: Gamecock

“And were totally corrupted on that horrible day.”

If we were corrupted to the point of total depravity, then we could not be saved. Hence, the fallen angels - who truly were “totally corrupted” can never be saved.

“We died that day.”

Yes.

http://www.catholic.com/blog/tim-staples/depravity-yes-total-depravity-no

http://learntheology.com/why-i-am-no-longer-a-calvinist-part-4-total-depravity-some-cursory-thoughts.html


68 posted on 02/02/2015 12:51:55 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

**then we could not be saved.**

Ahhhh! With God all things are possible! (It’s in the Bible!)

Also:
Ezekiel 37 The hand of the Lord was upon me, and he brought me out in the Spirit of the Lord and set me down in the middle of the valley; it was full of bones. 2 And he led me around among them, and behold, there were very many on the surface of the valley, and behold, they were very dry. 3 And he said to me, “Son of man, can these bones live?” And I answered, “O Lord God, you know.” 4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy over these bones, and say to them, O dry bones, hear the word of the Lord. 5 Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live. 6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will cause flesh to come upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live, and you shall know that I am the Lord.”

Here we see bones, like we once were, being born again!


69 posted on 02/02/2015 1:08:59 PM PST by Gamecock (CELEBRATING 25,000 POSTS!)
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To: winodog
Works meant the same thing to the Jew 2,000 years ago?
I thought works - law according to the Jew


Basically yes. Let's face it, when we talk about works we're talking about things we do that we suppose are pleasing to God, and the question is, pertaining to salvation, do our "good works" merit our salvation.

Regarding things that we do that we see as "good works", i.e., giving to the poor, donating to globalist charities, etc., the Bible is clear - that these things do not merit our salvation. One simply can not "donate" one's way into heaven, or "buy" one's way in, and one also can not win one's way in by doing "good deeds" apart from faith in Christ, as the Apostle Paul writes, "for whatsoever is not of faith is sin".

Various places in the OT the message is quite clear that the "works" of sacrifices under the OT law - if a man is not in a state of being reconciled to God - are NOT pleasing to God. In such situations, those sacrifices, or those good works, are written to be not acceptable to God; in fact, the Bible says God finds them very odious.

Isaiah 1

"10 Hear the word of the Lord, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.
11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?
13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.
16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow."

Here's an explanation I found over at http://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionaries/eastons-bible-dictionary/works-good.html:

"The old objection against the doctrine of salvation by grace, that it does away with the necessity of good works, and lowers the sense of their importance ( Romans 6 ), although it has been answered a thousand times, is still alleged by many. They say if men are not saved by works, then works are not necessary. If the most moral of men are saved in the same way as the very chief of sinners, then good works are of no moment. And more than this, if the grace of God is most clearly displayed in the salvation of the vilest of men, then the worse men are the better.

The objection has no validity. The gospel of salvation by grace shows that good works are necessary. It is true, unchangeably true, that without holiness no man shall see the Lord. "Neither adulterers, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards" shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Works are "good" only when, (1) they spring from the principle of love to God. The moral character of an act is determined by the moral principle that prompts it. Faith and love in the heart are the essential elements of all true obedience. Hence good works only spring from a believing heart, can only be wrought by one reconciled to God ( Ephesians 2:10 ; James 2:18:22). ). Good works have the glory of God as their object; and (3) they have the revealed will of God as their only rule ( Deuteronomy 12:32 ; Revelation 22:18 Revelation 22:19 ).

Good works are an expression of gratitude in the believer's heart ( John 14:15 John 14:23 ; Galatians 5:6 ). They are the fruits of the Spirit ( Titus 2:10-12 ), and thus spring from grace, which they illustrate and strengthen in the heart.

Good works of the most sincere believers are all imperfect, yet like their persons they are accepted through the mediation of Jesus Christ ( Colossians 3:17 ), and so are rewarded; they have no merit intrinsically, but are rewarded wholly of grace. "
70 posted on 02/02/2015 1:09:54 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.)
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To: Salvation

Clive was very wrong about any number of spiritual things. I sure wouldn’t look to him for wisdom.


71 posted on 02/02/2015 1:14:35 PM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: Campion

No one said it is Protestant-only, but it’s hard not to recognize that there seems to be an organized campaign to flood FR with new threads on Rome all day every day of the year.


72 posted on 02/02/2015 1:18:18 PM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: Gamecock

Congrats!


73 posted on 02/02/2015 1:19:05 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: vladimir998
” not to Spurgeon or any other theologian. On each point, if they agree with the Bible, I agree with them. If not, I don’t.”

So you’re saying Spurgeon was anti-biblical? He believed in sola scriptura. You probably do too. Yet you can’t agree?


Vlad, your twisting is obvious to all readers. I say I evaluate my agreement on a point-by-point basis, and your immediate response is to accuse me of saying "Spurgeon was anti-biblical", i.e., you seek to get me to agree with everything Spurgeon every wrote or none of it at all ?

This argument is a good thing, it will get more Roman Catholics to start thinking about the falsehoods of Papal doctrine.
74 posted on 02/02/2015 1:19:50 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.)
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To: Gamecock

“Ahhhh! With God all things are possible! (It’s in the Bible!)”

Not a single one of the fallen angels will be saved from an eternity in hell.


75 posted on 02/02/2015 1:30:05 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: Morgana
Paul’s point in saying justification is a free gift was not to eliminate works as necessary for salvation in all categories. Men must, for example, choose to open the free gift (see II Cor. 6:1). St. Paul was answering “Judaizers”—believers in Christ who were attempting to re-establish the law of the Old Covenant

And here we have the fatal admission: Paul's diatribes are aimed at Biblical ritual, ceremonial, holidays, laws, and commandments. These had to be gotten out of the way so a new post-Biblical religion (with its own ritual, ceremonial, holidays, laws, and commandments) could take its place. Protestants and their demand for honesty and internal consistency have never gotten this point.

The goal never was to provide "free salvation" or any such thing but only to start a new religion.

The author is to be thanked for his honesty in admitting this.

76 posted on 02/02/2015 1:30:27 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Throne and Altar! [In Jerusalem!!!])
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To: vladimir998

I sure didn’t come up with the term papist and had no idea some of you who believe in popes were so sensitive. I believe in full immersion believer’s baptism, ergo I’m known as a Baptist. My understanding of baptism is a very narrow part of what I believe, but the term Baptist doesn’t bother me, so I don’t know why Romanists would be sensitive about papist.


77 posted on 02/02/2015 1:30:47 PM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: PieterCasparzen

“Vlad, your twisting is obvious to all readers.”

You’re the one twisting things.

You say one thing. Spurgeon says another.

Who is correct: you or Spurgeon? Yet you both used sola scriptura.


78 posted on 02/02/2015 1:31:28 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

Jesus died for us.

Not for fallen angels.


79 posted on 02/02/2015 1:44:25 PM PST by Gamecock (CELEBRATING 25,000 POSTS!)
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To: Gamecock

“Jesus died for us. Not for fallen angels.”

Yes. They really were totally depraved.


80 posted on 02/02/2015 1:50:06 PM PST by vladimir998
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