Posted on 02/01/2015 10:02:41 AM PST by Morgana
The Lord declares in Isaiah 43:25:
I, I am He who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins.
Psalm 103:2-3 adds:
Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits, who forgives all your iniquity, who heals all your diseases
Many will use these verses against the idea of confession to a priest. God forgiving sins, they will claim, precludes the possibility of there being a priest who forgives sins. Further, Hebrews 3:1 and 7:22-27 tell us Jesus is, the high priest of our confession and that there are not many priests, but one in the New TestamentJesus Christ. Moreover, if Jesus is the one mediator between God and men (I Tim. 2:5), how can Catholics reasonably claim priests act in the role of mediator in the Sacrament of Confession?
BEGINNING WITH THE OLD
The Catholic Church acknowledges what Scripture unequivocally declares: it is God who forgives our sins. But that is not the end of the story. Leviticus 19:20-22 is equally unequivocal:
If a man lies carnally with a woman they shall not be put to death But he shall bring a guilt offering for himself to the Lord And the priest shall make atonement for him with the ram of the guilt offering before the Lord for his sin which he has committed; and the sin which he has committed shall be forgiven him.
Apparently, a priest being used as Gods instrument of forgiveness did not somehow take away from the fact that it was God who did the forgiving. God was the first cause of the forgiveness; the priest was the secondary, or instrumental cause. Thus, God being the forgiver of sins in Isaiah 43:25 and Psalm 103:3 in no way eliminates the possibility of there being a ministerial priesthood established by God to communicate his forgiveness.
OUT WITH THE OLD
Many Protestants will concede the point of priests acting as mediators of forgiveness in the Old Testament. However, they will claim, The people of God had priests in the Old Testament. Jesus is our only priest in the New Testament. The question is: could it be that our great God and Savior Jesus Christ (Titus 2:13) did something similar to that which he did, as God, in the Old Testament? Could he have established a priesthood to mediate his forgiveness in the New Testament?
IN WITH THE NEW
Just as God empowered his priests to be instruments of forgiveness in the Old Testament, the God/man Jesus Christ delegated authority to his New Testament ministers to act as mediators of reconciliation as well. Jesus made this remarkably clear in John 20:21-23:
Jesus said to them again, Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you. And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.
Having been raised from the dead, our Lord was here commissioning his apostles to carry on with his work just before he was to ascend to heaven. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you. What did the Father send Jesus to do? All Christians agree he sent Christ to be the one true mediator between God and men. As such, Christ was to infallibly proclaim the Gospel (cf. Luke 4:16-21), reign supreme as King of kings and Lord of lords (cf. Rev. 19:16); and especially, he was to redeem the world through the forgiveness of sins (cf. I Peter 2:21-25, Mark 2:5-10).
The New Testament makes very clear that Christ sent the apostles and their successors to carry on this same mission. To proclaim the gospel with the authority of Christ (cf. Matthew 28:18-20), to govern the Church in His stead (cf. Luke 22:29-30), and to sanctify her through the sacraments, especially the Eucharist (cf. John 6:54, I Cor. 11:24-29) and for our purpose here, Confession.
John 20:22-23 is nothing more than Jesus emphasizing one essential aspect of the priestly ministry of the apostles: To Forgive mens sins in the person of Christ Whose sins you forgive, they are forgiven, whose sins you retain are retained. Moreover, auricular confession is strongly implied here. The only way the apostles could either forgive or retain sins is by first hearing those sins confessed, and then making a judgment whether or not the penitent should be absolved.
TO FORGIVE OR TO PROCLAIM?
Many Protestants and various quasi-Christian sects claim John 20:23 must be viewed as Christ simply repeating the great commission of Matthew 28:19 and Luke 24:47 using different words that mean the same thing:
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be preached in his name to all nations
Commenting on John 20:23 in his book, RomanismThe Relentless Roman Catholic Assault on the Gospel of Jesus Christ! (White Horse Publications, Huntsville Alabama, 1995), p. 100, Protestant Apologist Robert Zins writes:
It is apparent that the commission to evangelize is tightly woven into the commission to proclaim forgiveness of sin through faith in Jesus Christ.
Mr. Zin's claim is that John 20:23 is not saying the apostles would forgive sins; rather, that they would merely proclaim the forgiveness of sins. The only problem with this theory is it runs head-on into the text of John 20. If you forgive the sins of any if you retain the sins of any. The text cannot say it any clearer: this is more than a mere proclamation of the forgiveness of sinsthis commission of the Lord communicates the power to actually forgive the sins themselves.
FREQUENT CONFESSION
The next question for many upon seeing the plain words of St. John is, Why dont we hear any more about Confession to a priest in the rest of the New Testament? The fact is: we dont need to. How many times does God have to tell us something before well believe it? He only gave us the proper form for baptism once (Matt. 28:19), and yet all Christians accept this teaching.
But be that as it may, there are multiple texts that deal with Confession and the forgiveness of sins through the New Covenant minister. I will cite just a few of them:
II Cor. 2:10:
And to whom you have pardoned anything, I also. For, what I have pardoned, if I have pardoned anything, for your sakes have I done it in the person of Christ (DRV).
Many may respond to this text by quoting modern Bible translations, e.g., the RSVCE:
What I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, has been for your sake in the presence of Christ (emphasis added).
St. Paul, it is argued, is simply forgiving someone in the way any layperson can forgive someone for wrongs committed against him. The Greek wordprosoponcan be translated either way. And I should note here that good Catholics will argue this point as well. This is an understandable and valid objection. However, I do not concur with it for four reasons:
1. Not only the Douay-Rheims, but the King James Version of the Biblewhich no one would accuse of being a Catholic translationtranslates prosopon as person.
2. The early Christians, who spoke and wrote in Koine Greek, at the Councils of Ephesus (AD 431) and Chalcedon (AD 451), used prosopon to refer to the person of Jesus Christ.
3. Even if one translates the text as St. Paul pardoning in the presence of Christ, the context still seems to indicate that he forgave the sins of others. And notice: St. Paul specifically said he was not forgiving anyone for offenses committed against him (see II Cor. 2:5). Any Christian can and must do this. He said he did the forgiving for [the Corinthians] sakes and in the person (or presence) of Christ. The context seems to indicate he is forgiving sins that do not involve him personally.
4. Just three chapters later, St. Paul gives us the reason why he could forgive the sins of others: All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation (II Cor. 5:18). Some will argue that "the ministry of reconciliation" of verse 18 is identical to "the message of reconciliation" in verse 19. In other words, St. Paul is simply referring to a declarative power here. I don't agree. I argue St. Paul uses distinct terms precisely because he is referring to more than just the message of reconciliation, but the same ministry of reconciliation that was Christs. Christ did more than just preach a message; he also forgave sins.
James 5:14-17:
Is any one among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; and the prayer of faith will save the sick man, and the Lord will raise him up; and if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects. Elijah was a man of like nature with ourselves and he prayed fervently that it might not rain and it did not rain
When it comes to one suffering; St. James says, Let him pray. Is any cheerful? Let him sing praise. But when it comes to sickness and personal sins, he tells his readers they must go to the eldersnot just anyonein order to receive this anointing and the forgiveness of sins.
Some will object and point out that verse 16 says to confess our sins to one another and pray for one another. Is not James just encouraging us to confess our sins to a close friend so we can help one another to overcome our faults?
The context seems to disagree with this interpretation for two main reasons:
1. St. James had just told us to go to the presbyter in verse 14 for healing and the forgiveness of sins. Then, verse 16 begins with the word thereforea conjunction that would seem to connect verse 16 back to verses 14 and 15. The context seems to point to the elder as the one to whom we confess our sins.
2. Ephesians 5:21 employs this same phrase. Be subject to one another out of reverence for Christ. But the context limits the meaning of to one another specifically to a man and wifenot just anyone. Similarly, the context of James 5 would seem to limit the confession of faults to one another to the specific relationship between anyone and the elder or priest (Gr.presbuteros).
ONE PRIEST OR MANY?
A major obstacle to Confession for many Protestants (me included when I was Protestant) is that it presupposes a priesthood. As I said above, Jesus is referred to in Scripture as the apostle and high priest of our confession. The former priests were many in number, as Hebrews 7:23 says, now we have one priestJesus Christ. The question is: how does the idea of priests and confession fit in here? Is there one priest or are there many?
I Peter 2:5-9 gives us some insight:
and like living stones be yourselves built into a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, Gods own people
If Jesus is the one and only priest in the New Testament in a strict sense, then we have a contradiction in Sacred Scripture. This, of course, is absurd. I Peter plainly teaches all believers to be members of a holy priesthood. Priest/believers do not take away from Christs unique priesthood, rather, as members of his body they establish it on earth.
FULL AND ACTIVE PARTICIPATIO
If one understands the very Catholic and very biblical notion of participatio, these problematic texts and others become relatively easy to understand. Yes, Jesus Christ is the one mediator between God and men just as I Tim. 2:5 says. The Bible is clear. Yet, Christians are also called to be mediators in Christ. When we intercede for one another or share the Gospel with someone, we act as mediators of Gods love and grace in the one true mediator, Christ Jesus, via the gift of participatio in Christ, the sole mediator between God and men (see I Timothy 2:1-7, I Timothy 4:16, Romans 10:9-14). All Christians, in some sense, can say with St. Paul, it is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me (Gal. 2:20)
PRIESTS AMONG PRIESTS
If all Christians are priests, then why do Catholics claim a ministerial priesthood essentially distinct from the universal priesthood? The answer is: God willed to call out a special priesthood among the universal priesthood to minister to his people. This concept is literally as old as Moses.
When St. Peter taught us about the universal priesthood of all believers, he specifically referred to Exodus 19:6 where God alluded to ancient Israel as a kingdom of priests and a holy nation. St. Peter reminds us that there was a universal priesthood among the Old Testament people of God just as in the New Testament. But this did not preclude the existence of a ministerial priesthood within that universal priesthood (see Exodus 19:22, Exodus 28, and Numbers 3:1-12).
In an analogous way, we have a universal Royal Priesthood in the New Testament, but we also have an ordained clergy who have priestly authority given to them by Christ to carry out his ministry of reconciliation as we have seen.
TRULY AWESOME AUTHORITY
A final couple of texts we will consider are Matt. 16:19 and 18:18. Specifically, well examine the words of Christ to Peter and the apostles: Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. As CCC 553 says, Christ here communicated not only authority to pronounce doctrinal judgments, and to make disciplinary decisions in the Church, but also the authority to absolve sins to the apostles.
These words are unsettling, even disturbing, to many. And understandably so. How could God give such authority to men? And yet he does. Jesus Christ, who alone has the power to open and shut heaven to men, clearly communicated this authority to the apostles and their successors. This is what the forgiveness of sins is all about: to reconcile men and women with their heavenly Father. CCC 1445 puts it succinctly:
The words bind and loose mean: whomever you exclude from your communion, will be excluded from communion with God; whomever you receive anew into your communion, God will welcome back into his. Reconciliation with the Church is inseparable from reconciliation with God.
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No mention of 1 John 1:9?
Acts 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Greek hierateuma - the act or office of priesthood.
Now, please show where that word or a form of it was ever used in the New Testament for New Testament church leadership.
I'll help you a little. The Greek word for priest is hiereus and is used in the New Testament for Christ, Old Covenant Priests, all believers and priests of Zeus. Never once for New Testament church leadership.
And no, presbyterous can in no way be made to mean priest.
(1) We are to confess our sins directly to Jesus.
(2) Every believer is a priest. No special class.
(2) Every believer is a priest. No special class.
Then how is an apostle to know whether loose or hold bound a sin?
If ever believer is a priest then so is a presbyter. Do apostles, bishops and presbyter hold a ministerial office distinct from the laity? Yes. Therefore there is a distinction between the lay priesthood and the ministerial priesthood.
Your position is contrary to Scripture and is based solely on the man-made tradition of Protestantism.
There is no "ministerial priesthood" in the New Testament church. The New Testament only speaks of Christ as High Priest, the priesthood of all believers, the old covenant priesthood, and the priests to Zeus.
“(2) Every believer is a priest. No special class.”
Ancient Israel was a priestly nation (Ex 19:6). Yet they had a select priesthood as well. The Church is the same: a priestly people, but with a select priesthood too.
A big problem I have with catholic priests and confession/forgiveness of sins is this,,.
The priests hears your confession,says you are forgiven,and as penance you must say 5 hail marys,5 our fathers,and stuff 5 bucks in the poor box.Penance= Punishment.IMHO prayer should never be considered punishment.
**Is Confession in Scripture?**
As practiced by Rome, no.
Is this guy attempting to whitewash the Papal history of ‘absolution for cash’, that was ‘part of the way of doing business’ all those years ago?
At least Joel has left the building,,,
A Catholic person is taught to look for forgiveness by confessing his or her sins to a priest. Papal Romes insistence that her people confess is seen in her official teaching in the Catholic Catechism, paragraph 983: Priests have received from God a power that he has given neither to angels nor to archangels...Were there no forgiveness of sins in the Church, there would be no hope of life to come or eternal liberation. And in the Catholic Code of Canon law 960, it stated that, Individual and integral confession and absolution constitute the only ordinary way which the faithful person who is aware of serious sin is reconciled with God and the Church. Thus, the humiliating experience of confessing is obligatory. In face of real forgiveness directly from God in Jesus Christ, confession in the ear of a priest is utter deception. In this short DVD, [former Roman Catholic priest] Richard Bennett handles the topic with sensitivity.
Confession is certainly in Scripture.
Just not what the Catholic church teaches confession to be.
There is no precedent for confessionals and penance and on again, off again salvation.
That would eliminate the need for the priesthood.
They’d be shooting themselves in the foot by going there.
There’s always a priesthood; that’s mentioned all through the New Testament.
The priesthood of the believers.
ALL of them.
ALL believers have the Holy Spirit as well.
Jesus did not allow for a class system religion.
“Can you show from scripture where the apostles instituted the office of priest?”
Jesus did that - not the Apostles.
So the apostles didn't teach what Jesus taught? Please show where Jesus instituted the office of priest in the New Testament church.
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