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Faith is not alone, Scripture is not alone, Grace is not alone. We ought not separate what God...
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 01-15-15 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 01/16/2015 8:03:35 AM PST by Salvation

Faith is not alone, Scripture is not alone, Grace is not alone. We ought not separate what God has joined.

By: Msgr. Charles Pope

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There are a lot of “solos” sung by our Protestant brethren: Sola Fide (saved by faith alone), Sola Scriptura (Scripture alone is the rule of faith), and sola gratia (grace alone). (See the Protestant logo to the right.) Generally, one ought to be suspicious and careful of claims that things work “alone.” It is our usual experience that many things work together in harmony, that things are interrelated. Very seldom is anyone or anything “alone.”

The problem of the “solos” emerges (it seems to me) in our minds, where it is possible to separate things out. But the fact is, just because we can separate something out in our mind does not mean that we can separate it out in reality.

Consider, for a moment, a candle flame. In my mind, I can separate the heat of the flame from its light. But in reality, I could never take a knife and put the heat over on one side and the light on the other. In reality, the heat and light are inseparable, so together as to be one.

I would like to argue respectfully that it is the same with things like faith and works, grace and transformation, Scripture and the Church. We can separate all these things out in our mind, but in reality they are one. Attempts to separate them from what they belong to, lead to grave distortions and to the thing in question no longer being what it is claimed to be. Rather, it becomes an abstraction that exists only on a blackboard or in the mind of a (geeky) theologian.

Let’s look at the three main “solos” of Protestant theology. I am aware that there are non-Catholic readers of this blog, so please understand that my objections are made with respect. I am also aware that in a short blog I may oversimplify, and thus I welcome additions, clarifications, etc. in the comments.

Solo 1: Faith alone (sola fide). For 400 years, Catholics and Protestants have debated the question of faith and works. In this matter, we must each avoid a caricature of the other’s positions. Catholics do not and never have taught that we were saved by works. For heaven’s sake we baptize infants! We fought off the Pelagians. But neither do Protestants mean by “faith” a purely intellectual acceptance of the existence of God, as many Catholics think they do.

But what concerns us here is the detachment of faith from works that the phrase “Faith alone” implies. So let me ask, what is faith without works? Can you point to it? Is it visible? Introduce me to someone who has real faith but no works. I don’t think one can be found. About the only example I can think of is a baptized infant! But, oops, that’s a Catholic thing, since most Baptists and Evangelicals who sing the solos reject infant baptism.

Hence it seems that faith alone is something of an abstraction. Faith is something that we can separate from works only in our minds, but not in reality. If faith is a transformative relationship with Jesus Christ, it seems we cannot remain unchanged by entering into that relationship with him. This change affects our behavior, our works. Even in the case of infants, it is possible to argue that they are changed and do have “works,” it’s just that we cannot easily observe them.

Scripture affirms that faith is never alone, that such a concept is an abstractionFaith without works is dead (James 2:26). Faith without works is not really faith at all since faith does not exist by itself, but is always present with and causes works through love. Galatians 5:6 says, For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision; but faith working through love. Hence faith works not alone, but through love. Further, as Paul states in 1 Corinthians 13:2, if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing.

Hence faith alone is the null set. True faith is never alone; it bears the fruit of love and the works of holiness. Faith ignites love and works through it. Beware of the solo  “faith alone” and ask where faith, all by itself, can be found.

Solo 2: Grace alone (sola gratia). As for grace alone, this too is a puzzle, since grace by its very nature changes us. Again, show me grace apart from works. Grace without works is an abstraction. Grace cannot be found apart from its effects. In our mind it may exist as an idea, but in reality grace is never alone.

Grace builds on nature and transforms it. It engages the person who responds to its urges and gifts. If grace is real, it will have its effects and cannot be found alone or apart from works. It cannot be found apart from a real flesh-and-blood human who is manifesting its effects.

Solo 3: Scripture alone (sola Scriptura) - Finally, beware those who say, “sola Scriptura”! This is the claim that Scripture alone is the measure of faith and the sole authority for the Christian, that there is no need for a Church and no authority in the Church, that there is only authority in the Scripture. There are several problems with this.

First, Scripture as we know it (with the full New Testament) was not fully assembled and agreed upon until the 4th century. And it was Catholic bishops, in union with the Pope, who made the decision as to which books belonged in the Bible. The early Christians could not possibly have lived by sola scriptura since the Scriptures were not even fully written in the earliest years. And though collected and largely completed in written form by 100 AD, the set of books and letters that actually made up the New Testament was only agreed upon by the 4th Century.

Second, until recently most people could not read. Given this, it seems kind of strange that God would make, as the sole rule of faith, a book that people had to read on their own. Even today, large numbers of people in the world cannot read well. Hence Scripture was not a read text per se, but rather one that most people heard and experienced in and with the Church through her preaching, liturgy, art, architecture, stained glass, passion plays, and so forth.

Third, and most important, if all you have is a book, then that book needs to be interpreted accurately. Without a valid and recognized interpreter, the book can serve to divide more than to unite. Is this not the experience of Protestantism, which now has tens of thousands of denominations all claiming to read the same Bible but interpreting it in rather different manners?

The problem is, if no one is Pope then everyone is Pope!  Protestant “soloists” claim that anyone, alone with a Bible and the Holy Spirit, can authentically interpret Scripture. Well then, why does the Holy Spirit tell some people that baptism is necessary for salvation and others that it is not necessary? Why does the Holy Spirit tell some that the Eucharist really is Christ’s body and blood and others that it is only a symbol? Why does the Holy Spirit say to some Protestants “Once saved, always saved” and to others, “No”?

So it seems clear that Scripture is not meant to be alone. Scripture itself says this in 2 Peter 3:16: our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, also wrote to you, Our Brother Paul speaking of these things [the Last things] as he does in all his letters. In them there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures. Hence Scripture itself warns that it is quite possible to misinterpret Scripture.

Well then, where is the truth to be found? The Scriptures once again answer this: you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Tim 3:15).

Hence, Scriptures are not to be read alone. They are a document of the Lord through the Church and must be read in the context of the Church and with the Church’s authoritative interpretation and Tradition. As this passage says, The CHURCH is the pillar and foundation of truth. The Bible is a Church book and is not meant to be read apart from the Church that received the authority to publish it from God Himself.  Scripture is the most authoritative and precious document of the Church, but it emanates from the Church’s Tradition and must be understood in the light of it. Further, faith is not alone but works through love. And grace is not alone but builds on nature.

Thus the problems of “singing solo” seem to boil down to the fact that if we separate what God has joined, we end up with an abstraction, something that exists only in the mind (but in reality cannot be found alone).

Here is a brief video in which Fr. Robert Barron ponders the Protestant point of view that every baptized Christian has the right to authoritatively interpret the Word of God.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; faith; faithalone; grace; msgrcharlespope; protestant; saved; savedbyfaithalone; solafide; solascriptura
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To: CynicalBear; Mark17

Yes, it was before the catholic church, but the sun god worship was prevalent in that region, and the days of worship were the same as Constantine chose for his ‘church.’

The basic liturgy was also the same.

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141 posted on 01/18/2015 12:02:36 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: CynicalBear

It was you that chose to change the scripture.

Your attempt to place salvation in the past is absurd.

Our salvation is the changing of our spirit’s home from a mortal biological body to an immortal body that is not a part of the physical universe that will be destroyed.


142 posted on 01/18/2015 12:07:52 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
>>It was you that chose to change the scripture.<<

I gave you scripture as it's found in the Greek. No changing necessary.

>>Your attempt to place salvation in the past is absurd.<<

That was scripture that shows that.

143 posted on 01/18/2015 12:19:43 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: editor-surveyor
>>The basic liturgy was also the same.<<

Documentation please.

144 posted on 01/18/2015 12:22:48 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear

Scripture says at the last trump.

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145 posted on 01/18/2015 1:46:20 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: CynicalBear

Scripture says at the last trump.

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146 posted on 01/18/2015 1:46:20 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: CynicalBear

Ah, thank you. Yes, something that has already occurred, and in a few instances, the actual baptism becomes an exorcism of attached demons.


147 posted on 01/18/2015 2:09:55 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: CynicalBear; GreyFriar
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>> “baptism is a sign of something that already occurred.” <<

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Yes that something is what is spoken of in Hebrews 6

[4] For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[5] And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[6] If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

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This is why Paul was so diligent to warn his sheep that their receipt of the Holy Spirit was a fragile gift, and therefore to work out their eventual salvation with fear and trembling, lest they fail to endure.

148 posted on 01/18/2015 3:45:33 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
>>Scripture says at the last trump.<<

You can't even pin point when the seventh trumpet in Revelation is sounded. Besides that, when Paul wrote the words "at the last trump" the Revelation had not yet been given to John. Paul would have had no way of knowing about that. Your assumptions, or should I say Rood's assumptions, assumptions about the last trump being during the time of Revelation is nothing but speculation.

149 posted on 01/18/2015 3:49:47 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: editor-surveyor

The twisting of scripture by Rood and his followers is akin to Catholicism.


150 posted on 01/18/2015 4:33:38 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear

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>> “You can’t even pin point when the seventh trumpet in Revelation is sounded” <<

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Do you mean that YOU refuse to accept when the trump is sounded?

The 7th trump ends Satan’s tribulation of the saints, and begins the gathering of his elect from the four corners of the Earth, the First Resurrection. The first fixing of it is in Matthew 24:29-31, “immediately after the tribulation of those days,” and the same trumpet is fixed at the exact same time in 1Corinthians 15:52.

In Revelation 10:7 the impending sounding of the trump of the 7th angel is announced, the execution of the Mystery of YHVH, and a parenthetical explanation of the events on Earth preceding that trump begins ch 11:1-13.

At the end of that scene, the passing of the second woe is complete, and the third woe is announced. Ch 11:15-17 is the sounding of the trump, verse 18 announces the Resurrection of the saints, and commencement of the 3rd woe.

Chapter 12:1 through 15:4 is another parenthetical flashback of what has happened on Earth.

Chapter 15:6 is the beginning of YHVH’s wrath (the 7 bowls)

These things are not difficult to understand, unless you try to twist them into confusion.

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151 posted on 01/18/2015 4:48:39 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: CynicalBear

Every time you fall on your face here, you turn to attacking Yehova’s servant Michael Rood.

That has become your trademark confession of failure.

Get a new shtick.

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152 posted on 01/18/2015 4:51:36 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Well, you just stick around for all of that. We who are faithful followers of the God Jesus will have long been taken from this earth.


153 posted on 01/18/2015 6:02:35 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: editor-surveyor

Michael Rood is no servant of God. He is a fraud and an emissary of the enemy.


154 posted on 01/18/2015 6:04:06 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear

Agreed about Rood


155 posted on 01/18/2015 7:00:04 PM PST by StoneWall Brigade (Daniel 2 Daniel 7 Daniel 9 Revelation 13 Revelation 16 Revelation 17 Revelation 18)
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To: CynicalBear

“Michael Rood is no servant of God. He is a fraud and an emissary of the enemy.”

There isn’t much to be encouraged about when one starts to research the man. I came across his name when I was researching the Torah Observant/Sacred Name/Hebrew Roots movement. Someone close to me veered off into that and started sending me links to their websites. I stopped communicating with them about it as it was fruitless and sparking discord.


156 posted on 01/18/2015 7:02:55 PM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: CynicalBear

I’ll let Yeshua deal with you and your satanic babbling.

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157 posted on 01/18/2015 7:11:29 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: CynicalBear

Childish nonsense!

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158 posted on 01/18/2015 7:12:24 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: avenir

Praise God you saw him for the fraud he is. We need to keep warning people about him whenever we see his ugly teaching emerge.


159 posted on 01/18/2015 8:08:35 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: editor-surveyor

Such are your words. Go tell the Supreme Court in Heaven they are completely contradictory to Scripture.

Meanwhile, we will still all suffer the first death, and will be face to face with Him, until the Rapture and bema seat judgment arrives for our eternal rewards.


160 posted on 01/19/2015 10:07:06 AM PST by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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