Posted on 01/16/2015 8:03:35 AM PST by Salvation
There are a lot of “solos” sung by our Protestant brethren: Sola Fide (saved by faith alone), Sola Scriptura (Scripture alone is the rule of faith), and sola gratia (grace alone). (See the Protestant logo to the right.) Generally, one ought to be suspicious and careful of claims that things work “alone.” It is our usual experience that many things work together in harmony, that things are interrelated. Very seldom is anyone or anything “alone.”
The problem of the “solos” emerges (it seems to me) in our minds, where it is possible to separate things out. But the fact is, just because we can separate something out in our mind does not mean that we can separate it out in reality.
Consider, for a moment, a candle flame. In my mind, I can separate the heat of the flame from its light. But in reality, I could never take a knife and put the heat over on one side and the light on the other. In reality, the heat and light are inseparable, so together as to be one.
I would like to argue respectfully that it is the same with things like faith and works, grace and transformation, Scripture and the Church. We can separate all these things out in our mind, but in reality they are one. Attempts to separate them from what they belong to, lead to grave distortions and to the thing in question no longer being what it is claimed to be. Rather, it becomes an abstraction that exists only on a blackboard or in the mind of a (geeky) theologian.
Let’s look at the three main “solos” of Protestant theology. I am aware that there are non-Catholic readers of this blog, so please understand that my objections are made with respect. I am also aware that in a short blog I may oversimplify, and thus I welcome additions, clarifications, etc. in the comments.
Solo 1: Faith alone (sola fide). For 400 years, Catholics and Protestants have debated the question of faith and works. In this matter, we must each avoid a caricature of the other’s positions. Catholics do not and never have taught that we were saved by works. For heaven’s sake we baptize infants! We fought off the Pelagians. But neither do Protestants mean by “faith” a purely intellectual acceptance of the existence of God, as many Catholics think they do.
But what concerns us here is the detachment of faith from works that the phrase “Faith alone” implies. So let me ask, what is faith without works? Can you point to it? Is it visible? Introduce me to someone who has real faith but no works. I don’t think one can be found. About the only example I can think of is a baptized infant! But, oops, that’s a Catholic thing, since most Baptists and Evangelicals who sing the solos reject infant baptism.
Hence it seems that faith alone is something of an abstraction. Faith is something that we can separate from works only in our minds, but not in reality. If faith is a transformative relationship with Jesus Christ, it seems we cannot remain unchanged by entering into that relationship with him. This change affects our behavior, our works. Even in the case of infants, it is possible to argue that they are changed and do have “works,” it’s just that we cannot easily observe them.
Scripture affirms that faith is never alone, that such a concept is an abstraction. Faith without works is dead (James 2:26). Faith without works is not really faith at all since faith does not exist by itself, but is always present with and causes works through love. Galatians 5:6 says, For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision; but faith working through love. Hence faith works not alone, but through love. Further, as Paul states in 1 Corinthians 13:2, if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing.
Hence faith alone is the null set. True faith is never alone; it bears the fruit of love and the works of holiness. Faith ignites love and works through it. Beware of the solo “faith alone” and ask where faith, all by itself, can be found.
Solo 2: Grace alone (sola gratia). As for grace alone, this too is a puzzle, since grace by its very nature changes us. Again, show me grace apart from works. Grace without works is an abstraction. Grace cannot be found apart from its effects. In our mind it may exist as an idea, but in reality grace is never alone.
Grace builds on nature and transforms it. It engages the person who responds to its urges and gifts. If grace is real, it will have its effects and cannot be found alone or apart from works. It cannot be found apart from a real flesh-and-blood human who is manifesting its effects.
Solo 3: Scripture alone (sola Scriptura) - Finally, beware those who say, “sola Scriptura”! This is the claim that Scripture alone is the measure of faith and the sole authority for the Christian, that there is no need for a Church and no authority in the Church, that there is only authority in the Scripture. There are several problems with this.
First, Scripture as we know it (with the full New Testament) was not fully assembled and agreed upon until the 4th century. And it was Catholic bishops, in union with the Pope, who made the decision as to which books belonged in the Bible. The early Christians could not possibly have lived by sola scriptura since the Scriptures were not even fully written in the earliest years. And though collected and largely completed in written form by 100 AD, the set of books and letters that actually made up the New Testament was only agreed upon by the 4th Century.
Second, until recently most people could not read. Given this, it seems kind of strange that God would make, as the sole rule of faith, a book that people had to read on their own. Even today, large numbers of people in the world cannot read well. Hence Scripture was not a read text per se, but rather one that most people heard and experienced in and with the Church through her preaching, liturgy, art, architecture, stained glass, passion plays, and so forth.
Third, and most important, if all you have is a book, then that book needs to be interpreted accurately. Without a valid and recognized interpreter, the book can serve to divide more than to unite. Is this not the experience of Protestantism, which now has tens of thousands of denominations all claiming to read the same Bible but interpreting it in rather different manners?
The problem is, if no one is Pope then everyone is Pope! Protestant “soloists” claim that anyone, alone with a Bible and the Holy Spirit, can authentically interpret Scripture. Well then, why does the Holy Spirit tell some people that baptism is necessary for salvation and others that it is not necessary? Why does the Holy Spirit tell some that the Eucharist really is Christ’s body and blood and others that it is only a symbol? Why does the Holy Spirit say to some Protestants “Once saved, always saved” and to others, “No”?
So it seems clear that Scripture is not meant to be alone. Scripture itself says this in 2 Peter 3:16: our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, also wrote to you, Our Brother Paul speaking of these things [the Last things] as he does in all his letters. In them there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures. Hence Scripture itself warns that it is quite possible to misinterpret Scripture.
Well then, where is the truth to be found? The Scriptures once again answer this: you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Tim 3:15).
Hence, Scriptures are not to be read alone. They are a document of the Lord through the Church and must be read in the context of the Church and with the Church’s authoritative interpretation and Tradition. As this passage says, The CHURCH is the pillar and foundation of truth. The Bible is a Church book and is not meant to be read apart from the Church that received the authority to publish it from God Himself. Scripture is the most authoritative and precious document of the Church, but it emanates from the Church’s Tradition and must be understood in the light of it. Further, faith is not alone but works through love. And grace is not alone but builds on nature.
Thus the problems of “singing solo” seem to boil down to the fact that if we separate what God has joined, we end up with an abstraction, something that exists only in the mind (but in reality cannot be found alone).
Here is a brief video in which Fr. Robert Barron ponders the Protestant point of view that every baptized Christian has the right to authoritatively interpret the Word of God.
I think it is unwise to build doctrines on what is NOT in the Bible. That is far too subjective. Anyone could say, well it is not in the Bible, but I know it is true. That won't cut the mustard. (John 20:31)
Not positive, but the Philippines is a catholic country, and one of the most superstitious I have ever been to.
I have no intention of waiting that long.
Thank you.
You only have to ‘wait’ until you die.
If you lived in respect of his grace, and love for his sheep, you’re in the ‘no worries’ club.
On the other hand, if you’ve lived in denial of his Torah, insisting that it had to be what was “hung on the cross,” Paul’s “fear and trembling” comes to mind.
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Ephesians 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--
The Greek word there is ἐστε meaning "I exist". It already exists and is a done deal.
There are many other verses that say the same thing and you have been shown them. Yet you continue to deny and post erroneous statements to the contrary.
Yes, some of us have been saved.
Some of us have already stood before the Supreme Court in Heaven.
Some of us have a regenerated human spirit with definite spiritual gifts to glorify Him.
When we suffer the first death, we will also be present with Him.
It isn’t just academics. He’s a Living God.
96 2. Grace: At Baptism we receive Sanctifying Grace which removes the original sin from our souls.
from http://disciples.org/our-identity/communion-and-baptism/ which, to me is a variation of the Catholic belief/doctrinne you posted.
Peter said to them,” Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ so that your sins may be forgiven; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”
Acts 2:38 (NRSV)
“Just as the baptism represents the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, it symbolizes the death and burial of the old self of the repentant believer, and the joyous birth of a brand new being in Christ. Those who founded the Disciples movement taught baptism by immersion as the accepted form. From “Word to the Church on Baptism,” Commission on Theology, 1987”
“Baptism is a public act by which the church proclaims God’s grace, as revealed in the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, through the use of a visible sign of God’s gracious initiative and the human individual’s response in faith. With other Christians we affirm that baptism is at once a divine gift and a human response ”
“The meaning of baptism is grounded in God’s redemptive action in Christ, it incorporates the believer in the community in the body of Christ, and it anticipates life in the coming age when the powers of the old world will be overcome, and the purposes of God will triumph.”
Thus to me, we receive grace and forgiveness through our baptism, which is followed by the first reception of communion.
Blessings to you.
Wrong.
Acts 2:38 Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for (εἰς) the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
The Greek word εἰς is a Preposition not a verb. There is no action taking place. Baptism is an outward proclamation of an already occurred forgiveness.
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>> “Yes, some of us have been saved.”
>> “some of us have already stood before the Supreme Court in Heaven.”
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Totally contrary to scripture.
Revelation 20 shows us that it is only those that are raised at the First Resurrection are blessed, and not subject to the Second Death, which happens 1000 years later at the Great White Throne.
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Now there is an evil twisting of the words of scripture. (not blaming you personally) Let's look at the real thing.
Acts 2:38 Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for (εἰς) the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
For the second time today the Greek word εἰς is a preposition and not a verb.
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Sorry CB, but the “have been” is not in scripture.
“By grace are ye saved...”
That is the trouble with using Hort-Wescott based modern ‘Bibles.’ Too much has been changed to deceive those that seek a wider path than Yeshua has provided.
That is why he said “Few” would find it. If you convince yourself that the wider path will suffice, you’re on shaky ground.
Salvation occurs for all at the same event; until then its sleep in the bosom of Abraham.
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C-B, I don’t know ancient Greek. I go with the translations as posted under the assumption they are correct. I’ll consider your alternate translation.
Special days of the sun God?
Like christmas and easter? that send us to hellfire?
His feasts are his education program for our benefit. They are the necessary shadow outlines of what is yet to come, on the very days upon which they will come.
This is why all of the early believers kept his feasts. AS Paul told the Thessalonians, they are the reason why he would not come as a thief to them.
Your constant attempts to twist the meaning of carefully selected bursts of out of context quotes is exactly what Yeshua warned about in Matthew 5:19
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Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are (ἐστε) ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: The Greek word ἐστε is used 93 times in the New Testament. In every instance in regards to something that already exists and not something that will happen in the future. It means I exist, I am. Twist all you want but scripture does not lie.
Noted and understood. I really posted that to re-inforce your contention that baptism is a sign of something that already occurred. At least that’s what I understood you to mean.
Stop twisting the words of scripture. We get enough of that from Catholics.
Must submit to someone calling themselves Father???? Christ said we should not call church pastors or preachers Father. As near as I can tell about 90% dogma is man add own conditions to Christ teachings. Just like the Scribes and Pharisees {the man made Temple Government} had done in the Temple to enslave the Jews.
The Apostles did not put on long robes, they did not call themselves father or Priest, Pope is not mentioned, they didn't wear crowns etc, and parade themselves before the people. They were more akin to today's Evangelist going from town to town to the streets, to homes, etc.
What did Peter tell Cornelius when he bowed before him? Peter rebuked his bow & helped him back up and said "I am a mere human being like you". Example after example, passage after passage contradicts the RCC Dogma.
NOTHING we can ever do works wise will save us. It can't be done. IF SALVATION COULD BE EARNED BY LABOR OR CONDITIONS SET-FORTH BY MAN THEN CHRIST DIED IN VAIN. Grace isn't earned it is a FREE GIFT GIVEN FROM GOD TO ALL TO THOSE WHO ASK & RECEIVE JESUS CHRIST. Why does the RCC think it's Dogma supersedes Jesus Christ conditions for salvation? To put is so far out of reach none can obtain it perhaps? To have control over others perhaps?
SALVATION COMES BY GRACE. IT IS BY FAITH ALONE BELIEVING THAT CHRIST PAID OUR SIN DEBT FOR ALL TIME. HE CLEANSED US. NO NEED TO BURN MORE. NO MORE PURIFICATION NEEDED when we leave these earthly bodies. Not because we deserve it, not because we worked for it, but because GOD gave His only begotten Son so whosoever {meaning anyone} believes in Him in Faith shall not perish but have everlasting life. No one can separate us from Jesus Christ. Not the Pope, nor Priest, nor Preacher Smith of the Charismatics, nor Obama.
The thief on the cross hanging beside Jesus asked JESUS to "Remember me in your Kingdom". Christ replied "Today you are with me in paradise". Christ said that. He didn't say go in a booth and talk to Father Smith and have him forgive you. No the Bible says to go ALONE into a place and pray to The Father IN SECRET. How many more teachings and laws must be twisted into conditions and rituals that the Jews could not endure nor live up too thus GOD sent His Son to fulfill all righteousness that we may be saved? We are sinners made righteous only by The Shed Blood Of Jesus Christ and only Him Alone. Take off your chains of bondage from man. Christ has set you free from spiritual bondage.
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