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Faith is not alone, Scripture is not alone, Grace is not alone. We ought not separate what God...
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 01-15-15 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 01/16/2015 8:03:35 AM PST by Salvation

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To: CynicalBear; Mark17

Yes, it was before the catholic church, but the sun god worship was prevalent in that region, and the days of worship were the same as Constantine chose for his ‘church.’

The basic liturgy was also the same.

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141 posted on 01/18/2015 12:02:36 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: CynicalBear

It was you that chose to change the scripture.

Your attempt to place salvation in the past is absurd.

Our salvation is the changing of our spirit’s home from a mortal biological body to an immortal body that is not a part of the physical universe that will be destroyed.


142 posted on 01/18/2015 12:07:52 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
>>It was you that chose to change the scripture.<<

I gave you scripture as it's found in the Greek. No changing necessary.

>>Your attempt to place salvation in the past is absurd.<<

That was scripture that shows that.

143 posted on 01/18/2015 12:19:43 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: editor-surveyor
>>The basic liturgy was also the same.<<

Documentation please.

144 posted on 01/18/2015 12:22:48 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear

Scripture says at the last trump.

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145 posted on 01/18/2015 1:46:20 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: CynicalBear

Scripture says at the last trump.

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146 posted on 01/18/2015 1:46:20 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: CynicalBear

Ah, thank you. Yes, something that has already occurred, and in a few instances, the actual baptism becomes an exorcism of attached demons.


147 posted on 01/18/2015 2:09:55 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: CynicalBear; GreyFriar
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>> “baptism is a sign of something that already occurred.” <<

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Yes that something is what is spoken of in Hebrews 6

[4] For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[5] And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[6] If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

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This is why Paul was so diligent to warn his sheep that their receipt of the Holy Spirit was a fragile gift, and therefore to work out their eventual salvation with fear and trembling, lest they fail to endure.

148 posted on 01/18/2015 3:45:33 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
>>Scripture says at the last trump.<<

You can't even pin point when the seventh trumpet in Revelation is sounded. Besides that, when Paul wrote the words "at the last trump" the Revelation had not yet been given to John. Paul would have had no way of knowing about that. Your assumptions, or should I say Rood's assumptions, assumptions about the last trump being during the time of Revelation is nothing but speculation.

149 posted on 01/18/2015 3:49:47 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: editor-surveyor

The twisting of scripture by Rood and his followers is akin to Catholicism.


150 posted on 01/18/2015 4:33:38 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear

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>> “You can’t even pin point when the seventh trumpet in Revelation is sounded” <<

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Do you mean that YOU refuse to accept when the trump is sounded?

The 7th trump ends Satan’s tribulation of the saints, and begins the gathering of his elect from the four corners of the Earth, the First Resurrection. The first fixing of it is in Matthew 24:29-31, “immediately after the tribulation of those days,” and the same trumpet is fixed at the exact same time in 1Corinthians 15:52.

In Revelation 10:7 the impending sounding of the trump of the 7th angel is announced, the execution of the Mystery of YHVH, and a parenthetical explanation of the events on Earth preceding that trump begins ch 11:1-13.

At the end of that scene, the passing of the second woe is complete, and the third woe is announced. Ch 11:15-17 is the sounding of the trump, verse 18 announces the Resurrection of the saints, and commencement of the 3rd woe.

Chapter 12:1 through 15:4 is another parenthetical flashback of what has happened on Earth.

Chapter 15:6 is the beginning of YHVH’s wrath (the 7 bowls)

These things are not difficult to understand, unless you try to twist them into confusion.

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151 posted on 01/18/2015 4:48:39 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: CynicalBear

Every time you fall on your face here, you turn to attacking Yehova’s servant Michael Rood.

That has become your trademark confession of failure.

Get a new shtick.

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152 posted on 01/18/2015 4:51:36 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Well, you just stick around for all of that. We who are faithful followers of the God Jesus will have long been taken from this earth.


153 posted on 01/18/2015 6:02:35 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: editor-surveyor

Michael Rood is no servant of God. He is a fraud and an emissary of the enemy.


154 posted on 01/18/2015 6:04:06 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear

Agreed about Rood


155 posted on 01/18/2015 7:00:04 PM PST by StoneWall Brigade (Daniel 2 Daniel 7 Daniel 9 Revelation 13 Revelation 16 Revelation 17 Revelation 18)
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To: CynicalBear

“Michael Rood is no servant of God. He is a fraud and an emissary of the enemy.”

There isn’t much to be encouraged about when one starts to research the man. I came across his name when I was researching the Torah Observant/Sacred Name/Hebrew Roots movement. Someone close to me veered off into that and started sending me links to their websites. I stopped communicating with them about it as it was fruitless and sparking discord.


156 posted on 01/18/2015 7:02:55 PM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: CynicalBear

I’ll let Yeshua deal with you and your satanic babbling.

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157 posted on 01/18/2015 7:11:29 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: CynicalBear

Childish nonsense!

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158 posted on 01/18/2015 7:12:24 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: avenir

Praise God you saw him for the fraud he is. We need to keep warning people about him whenever we see his ugly teaching emerge.


159 posted on 01/18/2015 8:08:35 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: editor-surveyor

Such are your words. Go tell the Supreme Court in Heaven they are completely contradictory to Scripture.

Meanwhile, we will still all suffer the first death, and will be face to face with Him, until the Rapture and bema seat judgment arrives for our eternal rewards.


160 posted on 01/19/2015 10:07:06 AM PST by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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