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Dear Ms. Walker: You Are Not a Priest (another female ordination)
Seasons of Grace ^ | January 5, 2015 | Kathy SCHIFFER

Posted on 01/10/2015 2:18:24 PM PST by NYer

On Saturday, January 3 in Kansas City, Georgia Walker attempted to do what no woman had done before:  She tried to become a Roman Catholic priest.

And she’s got the pictures to prove it:  Georgia smiling, arms raised in triumph, vested in red and white, processing down the aisle at St. Mark Hope and Peace Lutheran Church.  Her friend, “Bishop” Bridget Mary Meehan, smiles proudly at her side.  Attending the ceremony were members of the Association of Roman Catholic Women Priests, a group of similarly deluded women who imagine themselves to be ordained.

Here’s the thing, though:  WOMEN CAN’T BE PRIESTS.

No, really!  Women can’t be priests.

So now Ms. Walker’s gotten herself into quite a pickle.  Catholic canon law stipulates that only baptized men may be ordained as priests in the Catholic Church; and the penalty for attempting ordination, without permission of the bishop and without meeting the necessary criteria, is excommunication.  So not only is Ms. Walker NOT a Catholic priest, she is no longer a member in good standing of the Catholic Church.

The Kansas City Star reports that Walker understands the situation.  She has said she’s been informed by church officials that she would be excommunicated if she went through with the ceremony.  But Walker reiterated Saturday that she does not accept that ruling.

That doesn’t really matter though, because as I said, Ms. Walker, you are not a priest.

The pride and chutzpah required for a woman to deliberately disobey a key teaching of the Catholic Church, then demand to be placed in a role to lead others…. Well, it’s a fearsome rejection of God’s teaching.

Bridget Mary Meehan, who imagines herself to be a bishop, used the opportunity during her homily to scold Pope Francis.  “In my view,” she said, “our beloved pope needs some strong feminist friends to help him transform his chauvinistic view.”  Meehan was happy, though, that the pope “recognizes inequality as the root of social sin” and has taken positive steps to increase the number of women theologians.  

I wonder whether Meehan knows that in September 2013, Pope Francis took the drastic step of excommunicating an Australian priest, Fr. Greg Reynolds, for supporting the ordination of women.  I wonder whether she knows that in November 2013, writing in his apostolic exhortation, “Evangelii Gaudium” (“The Joy of the Gospel”), Pope Francis said that the Catholic Church is not going to change its position on the inadmissibility of women priests, but that it does have to stop linking all decision making to ordination and allow women to have a voice in deliberations.

Catholic News Service reported on the text of Evangelii Gaudium, specifically as it referred to the all-male priesthood:

 “The reservation of the priesthood to males, as a sign of Christ the spouse who gives himself in the Eucharist, is not a question open to discussion,” the pope said, “but it can prove especially divisive if sacramental power is too closely identified with power in general.”

The idea that ordination equals power not only robs the church of valuable contributions from women

, he said, it presents a misguided view of the priesthood and the sacraments.

“The configuration of the priest to Christ the head — namely, as the principal source of grace — does not imply an exaltation which would set him above others,” Pope Francis wrote. “In the church, functions ‘do not favor the superiority of some vis-a-vis the others.’”

Even when considering the priest’s role within the hierarchical structure of the church, he said, “it must be remembered that ‘it is totally ordered to the holiness of Christ’s members.’ Its key and axis is not power understood as domination, but the power to administer the sacrament of the Eucharist; this is the origin of its authority, which is always a service to God’s people.”

On the Feast of Pentecost, May 22, 1994, Pope John Paul II promulgated Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, his Apostolic Letter on Reserving Priestly Ordination to Men Alone.  In it, he looked back at the earlier writings of Pope Paul VI.  He had explained to the Anglican Church the Catholic reasoning which negates the possibility of women’s ordination:

“She [the Catholic Church] holds that it is not admissible to ordain women to the priesthood, for very fundamental reasons. These reasons include: the example recorded in the Sacred Scriptures of Christ choosing his Apostles only from among men; the constant practice of the Church, which has imitated Christ in choosing only men; and her living teaching authority which has consistently held that the exclusion of women from the priesthood is in accordance with God’s plan for his Church.”

Since there was confusion among theologians at the time, Paul VI directed the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith to set forth and expound the teaching of the Church on the reasons why women could not be ordained to the priesthood.  The Congregation responded by publishing the Declaration Inter Insigniores, which Pope Paul VI approved and ordered to be published.

Pope John Paul also reiterated his own reasoning, as published in the Apostolic Letter Mulieris Dignitatum.   He said,

I myself wrote in this regard: “In calling only men as his Apostles, Christ acted in a completely free and sovereign manner. In doing so, he exercised the same freedom with which, in all his behaviour, he emphasized the dignity and the vocation of women, without conforming to the prevailing customs and to the traditions sanctioned by the legislation of the time.”

In fact, the Gospels and the Acts of the Apostles attest that this call was made in accordance with God’s eternal plan: Christ chose those whom he willed (cf. Mk 3:13-14; Jn 6:70), and he did so in union with the Father, “through the Holy Spirit” (Acts 1:2), after having spent the night in prayer (cf. Lk 6:12). Therefore, in granting admission to the ministerial priesthood, the Church has always acknowledged as a perennial norm her Lord’s way of acting in choosing twelve men whom he made the foundation of his Church (cf. Rev 21:14). These men did not in fact receive only a function which could thereafter be exercised by any member of the Church; rather they were specifically and intimately associated in the mission of the Incarnate Word himself (cf. Mt10:1, 7-8; 28:16-20; Mk 3:13- 16; 16:14-15). The Apostles did the same when they chose fellow workers who would succeed them in their ministry. Also included in this choice were those who, throughout the time of the Church, would carry on the Apostles’ mission of representing Christ the Lord and Redeemer.

Furthermore, the fact that the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God and Mother of the Church, received neither the mission proper to the Apostles nor the ministerial priesthood clearly shows that the non-admission of women to priestly ordination cannot mean that women are of lesser dignity, nor can it be construed as discrimination against them. Rather, it is to be seen as the faithful observance of a plan to be ascribed to the wisdom of the Lord of the universe.

And with great patience toward those who still did not understand the papal decree, Pope John Paul concluded:

Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church’s divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church’s faithful.

The following year, on October 28, 1995, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith released its Responsum ad Dubium, a letter Concerning the Teaching Contained in Ordinatio Sacerdotalis.  The Responsum ad Dubium addressed questions which had arisen regarding the 1994 document, and clarified its applicability as doctrine.  According to then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, then-prefect of the CDF:

The publication in May 1994 of the apostolic letter Ordinatio Sacerdotalis was followed by a number of problematic and negative statements by certain theologians, organizations of priests and religious, as well as some associations of lay people. These reactions attempted to cast doubt on the definitive character of the letter’s teaching on the inadmissibility of women to the ministerial priesthood and also questioned whether this teaching belonged to the deposit of the faith.

This congregation therefore has judged it necessary to dispel the doubts and reservations that have arisen by issuing a responsum ad dubium, which the Holy Father has approved and ordered to be published.

The statement itself reads, in part:

Dubium: Whether the teaching that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women, which is presented in the Apostolic LetterOrdinatio Sacerdotalis to be held definitively, is to be understood as belonging to the deposit of faith.

Responsum: In the affirmative.

This teaching requires definitive assent, since, founded on the written Word of God, and from the beginning constantly preserved and applied in the Tradition of the Church, it has been set forth infallibly by the ordinary and universal Magisterium (cf. Second Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution on the Church Lumen Gentium25, 2). Thus, in the present circumstances, the Roman Pontiff, exercising his proper office of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32), has handed on this same teaching by a formal declaration, explicitly stating what is to be held always, everywhere, and by all, as belonging to the deposit of the faith.

Read the rest of the CDF’s Responsum ad Dubium here.


TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Theology; Worship
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Thank you, that helps a bunch. I’ve never heard of the definition you gave for a Priest as I am also not Catholic (wife is). It makes sense from a Catholic point of view.

I guess the difference is that I was raised Baptist so we look to the Pastor as the intellectual leader. He (never was a she before) had the job of learning for himself and teaching others and providing spiritual leadership, meaning he had to espouse the morals of the congregation to others. He ran the church in a physical sense (administration) but also served as the community focal point.

We didn’t have ‘Sacrifice of the Mass’ or anything like it. Protestants are merely observers and learners of Christ and don’t attribute much process or procedures to observances; meaning, failure to perform a certain process or procedure doesn’t render church services any less beneficial to the participant. Things like baptisms and prayer have their observances, but even then not so strictly as some denominations. I’ve seen Baptists perform a baptismal in rivers and some in pools.

All that said, and thank you for your time to post as you did, I believe when it comes to Christ it is acceptance of God and the desire to follows his commandments that are most important. Everything else becomes arguments as to who is and who is not a child of God. We all are, it is just a matter of do we accept and obey.


41 posted on 01/10/2015 6:58:53 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: ealgeone
"Regret to inform," by the way, is dubious. You are telling a falsehood, and you do so at every opportunity.

It reminds me of what Gimli said to Eomer in "Lord of the Rings" about Galadriel. That's what I'm quoting in my tagline.

42 posted on 01/10/2015 7:00:54 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (You speak evil of that which is fair past the reach of your thought; only little wit can excuse you.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Catholics worship Mary as has been proven on another thread thus making her a goddess. Sorry catholicism doesn’t like that fact brought into the light.


43 posted on 01/10/2015 7:02:01 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
"It’s one thing to believe. It’s another to believe a falsehood."

True.

44 posted on 01/10/2015 7:02:18 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (You speak evil of that which is fair past the reach of your thought; only little wit can excuse you.)
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To: CodeToad

Thank you for such a gracious answer. Tagline’s for you!


45 posted on 01/10/2015 7:04:49 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (What does the LORD require of you, but to act justly, to love tenderly, to walk humbly with your God)
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To: ealgeone
This is getting silly. I hereby formally abjure, reject, hold as reprehensible, repudiate and kick in the pants the whole whackadoodle offensive and impertinent concept of Mary as "goddess".

I do so in the name of the entire whole Catholic Church, past, present, and future, and in the name of Christ our True God.

There. If she's a "goddess" --- which she ain't --- may she strike me dead-dead-dead with all schoolmarmistic sternness and pruniprismic promptness.

Woo woo.

Counting on fingers.

5 -

4 -

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2 -

1.

Still here. No surprise.

Even engaging this is just so stupid.

46 posted on 01/10/2015 7:15:40 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Silly on stilts.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Does it matter? Would you be less concerned if DiNardo had allowed a female Methodist “bishop” to baptize monkeys in his Co-Cathedral?


47 posted on 01/10/2015 7:42:08 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ealgeone

>The Annunciation


48 posted on 01/10/2015 7:43:49 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Behold, the handmaid of the LORD. Be it done unto me according to Thy Word.)
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To: ebb tide

DiNardo will have to face the Great Judge on that one.


49 posted on 01/10/2015 7:44:56 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops." - St. John Chrysostom, Bishop)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Careful what you mock.....


50 posted on 01/10/2015 7:47:28 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: NYer

Fr. Vernon Meyer also got himself excommunicated in Phoenix a few years ago for trying this “women priest” scam.


51 posted on 01/10/2015 7:49:08 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ealgeone

Prudent advice for you also.


52 posted on 01/10/2015 7:49:36 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ealgeone
You're afraid of the "goddess"?

Geez Louise. Worse off than I thought.

53 posted on 01/10/2015 7:57:25 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be" said the Cat,"or you wouldn't have come here.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

No....I am most certainly not afraid of Mary. Catholics, however, best hope they don’t get on her bad side.


54 posted on 01/10/2015 8:08:08 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Without looking at my “Father Smith Instructs Jackson” (c. 1959), I can’t recall if Fr Smith quotes Kempis concerning celibacy, but it bore on his, “Imitation of Christ” nonetheless.

Not Catholic, but as my mom went to “conversion” study in order to sing in a Catholic choir where we lived, I went along too, at 12.

‘Learned a lot. Very interesting still.

God knows us all. May He Bless You and Yours.


55 posted on 01/10/2015 8:15:03 PM PST by onedoug
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To: vladimir998

Doesn’t say pastor or priest, just an individual who feels this to be an appropriate choice. Now Titus chapter 1 and I Timothy chapter 3 give clear guidelines.


56 posted on 01/10/2015 8:27:15 PM PST by BlackAdderess ("Give me a but a firm spot on which to stand, and I shall move the earth". --Archimedes)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Look at the Apostle Paul who was called to throw a very time consuming monkey wrench in the Roman legal system. He was called to celibacy, and a good thing too!


57 posted on 01/10/2015 8:36:31 PM PST by BlackAdderess ("Give me a but a firm spot on which to stand, and I shall move the earth". --Archimedes)
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To: BlackAdderess

“Doesn’t say pastor or priest...”

AND YOU DID? Quote: “The Pope says that celibacy is based on tradition only, and certainly it isn’t scriptural.”

Again, Matthew 19:12.

You made a claim.

It was false.

Deal with it.


58 posted on 01/10/2015 9:00:55 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

You are reading a pile of stuff in there, that isn’t in there. You are mistaken my friend, even your own Pope say so.


59 posted on 01/11/2015 12:47:26 AM PST by BlackAdderess ("Give me a but a firm spot on which to stand, and I shall move the earth". --Archimedes)
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To: vladimir998

No I didn’t, that’s kind of the point. The conversation you broke in on was concerning whether or not priests could marry.


60 posted on 01/11/2015 1:08:52 AM PST by BlackAdderess ("Give me a but a firm spot on which to stand, and I shall move the earth". --Archimedes)
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