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Altar Girls, Altar Boys and the Priesthood: Connecting the Dots (Catholic Caucus)
onepeterfive ^ | January 2, 2015 | BRIAN WILLIAMS

Posted on 01/03/2015 4:25:30 AM PST by NYer

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It has been twenty years since the Catholic Church officially permitted the use of altar girls at Mass. While extending this permission for girls to serve, the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments (CDWDS) was also careful to state that:

“The Holy See wishes to recall that it will always be very appropriate to follow the noble tradition of having boys serve at the altar. As is well known, this has led to a reassuring development of priestly vocations. Thus the obligation to support such groups of altar boys will always continue.”

Two decades later, there is still a great deal of emotion encountered when discussing the topic of altar servers. I have written about this in the past, only to be surprised at the level of confusion and misunderstanding regarding the subject. Many who enthusiastically endorse altar girls simply ignore the fact that Rome has always recognized the connection between boys serving at the altar and priestly vocations.

In a 2001 letter from the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments the topic was further clarified:

“With respect to whether the practice of women serving at the altar would truly be of pastoral advantage in the local pastoral situation, it is perhaps helpful to recall that the non-ordained faithful do not have a right to service at the altar, rather they are capable of being admitted to such service by the Sacred Pastors…

“Therefore, in the event that Your Excellency found it opportune to authorize service of women at the altar, it would remain important to explain clearly to the faithful the nature of this innovation, lest confusion might be introduced, thereby hampering the development of priestly vocations.”

In reviewing both the initial statement released in 1994, as well as the 2001 follow up, Fr. John Zuhlsdorf provided a succinct summary of the parameters governing the practice of allowing girls to serve at the altar:

The video segment below was produced by CatholicTV out of Boston. It features Bishop Christopher Coyne, auxiliary bishop for the Archdiocese of Indianapolis:

What's with girl altar servers? - Bishop Christopher Coyne tells you Everything You Wanted To Know About Catholic Liturgy (but were afraid to ask.

Unfortunately, Bishop Coyne attacks a straw man when he argues that during his time teaching in seminary he did not know anyone who decided to become a priest because he had been an altar boy. To my knowledge, no one has ever claimed that the one inevitably led to the other. The relationship between serving at the altar and following a call to holy orders is one of correlation, not causation. But this correlation is strong. The argument has always been that involving boys in altar service during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass facilitates an important part of the discernment process, and contrary to Bishop Coyne’s implication, this has been a common denominator shared by most seminarians.

This isn’t mere speculation. We have the data. As I have previously written:

“…the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops released the findings from the 2014 Survey of Ordinands to the Priesthood. Prepared by Georgetown’s Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA) for the USCCB, the survey was completed by 365 ordinands, an impressive 77 percent response rate…

“Of the 365 men surveyed this year, a whopping 80 percent had been altar boys during their formative years. In comparison, only 52 percent of ordinands had been lectors, less than a third had been youth ministers and only 15 percent had ever attended a World Youth Day or a Steubenville Youth Conference.”

This is consistent with prior surveys conducted by CARA. The percentage of ordinands who had been altar boys for some portion of their formative years were 70%, 71%, 75%, and 67% respectively for the years 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013.

Based on the repeated statements and clarifications released by the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments over the years, and the statistical findings reported to the USCCB itself by CARA, one can’t help but ask, “What is there to left to debate?”

The end of the video clip above gives us the answer. Bishop Coyne states that to discontinue the practice of female servers now would be telling girls that they are “second class citizens” instead of “welcoming them to the table.”

This of course is also the sort of language employed by those who try to impose a secular and misguided understanding of equality and participation into the liturgy. In our contemporary culture many fail to understand that serving in different ways does not reflect being any more or less important. To acknowledge that males and females are different — and have different roles — is healthy. People have been conditioned to think that if anything is “off limits,” someone is being denied their “rights”. The Church recognizes the dignity of the individual precisely because it extols the beauty of the differences between the sexes.

Finally, the claim that excluding girls from altar service negatively impacts the Church — or their role in it — doesn’t add up. An increasing number of parishes have already eliminated the use of female servers. The Extraordinary Form of the Mass, following the rubrics of the liturgical books in effect in 1962, does not permit for altar girls. More and more traditionally-minded parishes have sought consistency in the two forms by not permitting girls to serve at the Ordinary Form either. In most cases, parishes that embrace liturgical orthodoxy are experiencing increased attendance and participation. Their pews are packed with large families. If the sons of those families are serving at the altar, it’s not with envious looks from their mothers or sisters. If anything, there’s a sense of appropriate pride, and perhaps even the hope that one day, the family may see one of its own members join the priesthood.

In the end, this issue requires careful consideration and honest dialogue. To tackle this topic means we must look at the guidelines the Church has already issued, the origin and effects of the practice, and the data we have showing a connection between altar service and priesthood – which is, and will always be reserved for men. It is interesting that those who so vigorously defend a twenty-year-old practice — a recent innovation for a two-thousand-year-old institution — appear disinterested in actually studying its impact upon discernment and vocations. Instead, we are presented with arguments about “rights” and “feelings.” There is also anecdotal information that points to a loss of male altar servers when females are allowed. If the effect that the practice is having is detrimental to vocational discernment and ultimately the future of the priesthood, it can and should be reconsidered.

We can’t afford to ignore the signs. The next generation of Catholics — who will be deeply affected by the continuing decline of vocations to the priesthood — deserve better than that.


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To: Salvation
Is this a change since Hubbard left?

Apologies, I was referring to the Eparchy of St. Maron of Brooklyn, not the Diocese of Albany. Bishop Mansour only allows boys to serve at the altar. Not sure about Bishop Scharfenberger.

21 posted on 01/03/2015 10:10:57 AM PST by NYer (Merry Christmas and best wishes for a blessed New Year!)
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To: NYer

Also at local childhood church both boys and girl served I notice that priests don’t ask don’t tell policy

I think reason why according to my mom we have real Feminist Yenta lawyer lady that threated to sue the priest got spook by this lady


22 posted on 01/03/2015 10:13:13 AM PST by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: SevenofNine

I sent this to friends, priests in the local area and the Bishop.


23 posted on 01/03/2015 4:44:34 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Well I live in kinda lib city Los Angeles you know arhcidisove is famous for hiding pedophile priest by shipping to other parish thanks to Telfon Archbishop Roger Mahoney

You got cut my city some slack here LOL!


24 posted on 01/03/2015 5:53:01 PM PST by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: NYer

>>[T]his practice of placing girls at the altar has absolutely nothing to do with Vatican II and was condemned in the strongest of terms twice following the council. In 1970 Pope Paul VI said in Liturgicae Instaurationes, “In conformity with norms traditional in the Church, women (single, married, religious), whether in churches, homes, convents, schools, or institutions for women, are barred from serving the priest at the altar.” [Paul VI, ladies and gents.]<<

>>And in 1980 Pope John Paul II stated in Inaestimabile Donum, “There are, of course, various roles that women can perform in the liturgical assembly: these include reading of the Word of God and proclaiming the intentions of the Prayer of the Faithful. Women are not, however, permitted to act as altar servers.”[JP2, ladies and gents.]<,

http://wdtprs.com/blog/2011/08/should-the-infamous-altar-girl-decision-be-reversed-wm-oddie-opines-wdtprs-polls-included/

Unfortunately, under pressure, the indecisive St JP II reversed himself in 1994.


25 posted on 01/03/2015 6:18:52 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: GreyFriar
Funny, this Protestant, has probably always seen altar boys as the ‘recruiting ground’ for future priests.

Unfortunately, homo priests have also seen altar boys as "recruiting ground", which is part of the reason fewer boys volunteer these days. Self-defense training should be a prerequisite before parents allow their sons to serve.

26 posted on 01/03/2015 9:18:21 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: NYer

Boys and men will volunteer less at a place of worship where females are given the same roles as men and wanting to dominate. That’s just the way it seems to be. Males need a special role more than females do. Let the boys do it, but also put full time videocameras everywhere in and around the church where the boys will be, before, during and after the services.


27 posted on 01/04/2015 3:30:33 AM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: NYer

I thought the last US diocese to have boys only was in Nebraska (and they switched when their bishop retired).

The first point (that it was up to the individual bishops) showed what a stupid idea this was; the PC pressure on every ordinary was intense.


28 posted on 01/05/2015 4:20:16 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2
I thought the last US diocese to have boys only was in Nebraska

I posted a clarification on #21. " I was referring to the Eparchy of St. Maron of Brooklyn, not the Diocese of Albany. Bishop Mansour only allows boys to serve at the altar." Though I am Roman Catholic, I practice my faith at a Maronite (Eastern) Catholic Church. Nearly half the congregation is Roman Catholic.

29 posted on 01/05/2015 5:01:27 AM PST by NYer (Merry Christmas and best wishes for a blessed New Year!)
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To: NYer

I didn’t know that allowing altar girls even applied to the Eastern Churches; do any of them allow altar girls?


30 posted on 01/05/2015 5:09:10 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2
I didn’t know that allowing altar girls even applied to the Eastern Churches; do any of them allow altar girls?

I can only speak for the our particular eparchy (diocese). The bishop has banned girls from serving at the altar because vocations come from the boys.

31 posted on 01/05/2015 5:26:46 AM PST by NYer (Merry Christmas and best wishes for a blessed New Year!)
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To: NYer
"No lay person has the right to serve at the altar for Mass or any other liturgical worship."
We have a 50+ year old man that serves as an alter boy frequently in our parish. Quite an odd fellow as well. I don't understand why the pastor allows it but our bishop is a spineless liberal, so that may explain it. We still stand after communion which has been expressly prohibited and no longer have any Tridentine masses in our diocese.
32 posted on 01/05/2015 6:14:26 AM PST by marine86297 (I'll never forgive Clinton for Somalia, my blood is on his hands)
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To: NYer

As it should be.


33 posted on 01/05/2015 6:17:17 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: marine86297; redhead
Just a suggestion but have you considered visiting an Eastern Catholic Church? St Athanasius Byzantine Church is in Indianapolis. You can read more about this Catholic Rite here. Redhead is Roman Catholic and attends a Byzantine Church. You will discover these liturgies are profoundly reverent.
34 posted on 01/05/2015 7:18:59 AM PST by NYer (Merry Christmas and best wishes for a blessed New Year!)
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To: NYer

Our Byzantine parish has MEN serving. The youngest server is about 14. The girls have their own ministry: They are the ones who hold the 3-branched candlestick during the reading of the Gospel.

It’s a tiny church building, and a procession of men takes up a lot of space, but it is worth it when we witness the GROWTH of our parish and the enthusiasm and involvement of our members. We even have an outreach in Ft. Collins.


35 posted on 01/05/2015 2:15:03 PM PST by redhead (NO GROUND TO THE DEVIL! Remember BENGHAZI!! Use Weaponized Prayer)
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To: NYer

Thanks; I don’t know if the ruling even applied to the Eastern Rites (with their variation on celibacy, etc.).


36 posted on 01/05/2015 2:29:48 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: NYer

I would love to try attending an Eastern Rite Mass but most are several hours away at best. I do manage to go to a Tridentine mass about an hour away, in a different diocese at least once a month. I would really LOVE to find a Maronite church to experience.


37 posted on 01/06/2015 7:06:56 AM PST by marine86297 (I'll never forgive Clinton for Somalia, my blood is on his hands)
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