Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.
It is if you like to fight.
Jesus was big on His followers fighting with each other, so yeah, I'm sure your efforts will be well received.
Good luck with that.
Do behinds interest you?
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2. "Before you read any further, kneel down and devoutly say a prayer. Ask God to help you understand and appreciate this secret, which is really given by him. You must prepare your soul if you would profit from this secret. You may certainly pray that God deliver you from any deception, and that he illumine your mind with a spirit of discernment. Any illumination that comes from God always has a good effect upon the soul. Pray that God give you the grace of discernment, that you may understand what I am about to teach you."
One could take that as DeMontfort saying if you do this you'll see what I see.
The problem with this is that his "prayer" is a misleading one. The implication is if you don't see what DeMontfort does then God hasn't given you the "grace of discernment."
However, this would contradict NT passages about the Holy Spirit being given to all believers as the Helper.
I've read what DeMontfort has written and it's bogus. The lofty elevation he has placed Mary and the attributes he's assigned to her are non-Scriptural.
This is the single truest thing you have ever said. They say the first step to recovery is admitting that there is a problem, and this is a great first step. Sincerely congratulations.
Looks like to avoid one heresy, you cling to another!
Not YET?!?!
Douay...
Luther's doctrine?? I think more like Irenaeus (130 - 202).
"We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scriptures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith." [Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, editors, Ante-Nicene Fathers (Peabody: Hendriksen, 1995) Vol. 1, Irenaeus, “Against Heresies” 3.1.1, p. 414.]
Or maybe the doctrine of Cyril.
"This seal have thou ever on thy mind; which now by way of summary has been touched on in its heads, and if the Lord grant, shall hereafter be set forth according to our power, with Scripture proofs. For concerning the divine and sacred Mysteries of the Faith, we ought not to deliver even the most casual remark without the Holy Scriptures: nor be drawn aside by mere probabilities and the artifices of argument. Do not then believe me because I tell thee these things, unless thou receive from the Holy Scriptures the proof of what is set forth: for this salvation, which is of our faith, is not by ingenious reasonings, but by proof from the Holy Scriptures." [A Library of the Fathers of the Holy Catholic Church (Oxford: Parker, 1845), "The Catechetical Lectures of S. Cyril" Lecture 4.17.]
Or maybe it was Gregory of Nyssa (335 – 395)
"The generality of men still fluctuate in their opinions about this, which are as erroneous as they are numerous. As for ourselves, if the Gentile philosophy, which deals methodically with all these points, were really adequate for a demonstration, it would certainly be superfluous to add a discussion on the soul to those speculations. But while the latter proceeded, on the subject of the soul, as far in the direction of supposed consequences as the thinker pleased, we are not entitled to such license, I mean that of affirming what we please; we make the Holy Scriptures the rule and the measure of every tenet; we necessarily fix our eyes upon that, and approve that alone which may be made to harmonize with the intention of those writings." [Philip Schaff and Henry Wace, editors, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (Peabody: Hendriksen, 1995) Second Series: Volume V, Gregory of Nyssa: Dogmatic Treatises, "On the Soul and the Resurrection", p. 439.]
Wait, maybe it was John Chrysostom (349 – 407)
Regarding the things I say, I should supply even the proofs, so I will not seem to rely on my own opinions, but rather, prove them with Scripture, so that the matter will remain certain and steadfast. [John Chrysostom, Homily 8 On Repentance and the Church, p. 118, vol. 96 TFOTC.]
Or maybe you should credit Basil (330 - 379)
What is the mark of a faithful soul? To be in these dispositions of full acceptance on the authority of the words of Scripture, not venturing to reject anything nor making additions. For, if ‘all that is not of faith is sin’ as the Apostle says, and ‘faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God,’ everything outside Holy Scripture, not being of faith, is sin. [Basil, The Morals, p. 204, vol 9 TFOTC]
The hearers taught in the Scriptures ought to test what is said by teachers and accept that which agrees with the Scriptures but reject that which is foreign. [Basil, Moralia, 72:1.]
Maybe Augustine (354 - 430)
If anyone preaches either concerning Christ or concerning His church or concerning any other matter which pertains to our faith and life; I will not say, if we, but what Paul adds, if an angel from heaven should preach to you anything besides what you have received in the Scriptures of the Law and of the Gospels, let him be anathema. [Augustine, Contra litteras Petiliani, Bk 3, ch. 6.]
Neither dare one agree with catholic bishops if by chance they err in anything, but the result that their opinion is against the canonical Scriptures of God. [Augustine, De Unitate Ecclesiae, 10.]
For among the things that are plainly laid down in Scripture are to be found all matters that concern faith and the manner of life. [Augustine, On Christian Doctrine, II, 9.]
And don't forget Hippolytus (170–235)
There is, brethren, one God, the knowledge of whom we gain from the Holy Scriptures, and from no other source… so all of us who wish to practice piety will be unable to learn its practice from any other quarter than the oracles of God. Whatever things, then, the Holy Scriptures declare, at these let us look; and whatever things they teach, these let us learn. [Hippolytus, Against the Heresy of One Noetus, 9.]
I think if you are going to give credit you should give credit where credit is do wouldn't you agree? I think when Catholics want to denigrate those who first promoted Sola Scriptura they should denigrate those who first started the idea don't you think?
Healing power?
And yet there are Catholic hospitals...
“Current Catholic beliefs”
Kinda says it all...
And no one comes to Jesus but that the Father calls him.
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
But Catholics replace the Father with Mary.
I think that's a fair conclusion. Perhaps even better is that he may be claiming that if one takes paragraph 2 seriously, one will eventually be able to see how he can say the later things he does.
Regardless one thing is certain: unless and until one does do what is described in paragraph 2, again with a heart desirous of the TRUTH, not with a desire to be "right", one will never really know what the outcome of reading the Saint's writings will be.
In other words unless one actually does do that as described above, one really can't speak with any authority on the authenticity and veracity of his writings there. It's just that simple.
I hear talk talk all the time from many about how the Holy Spirit is the teacher (which He is) of all things well here's an opportunity to put that into action. For anyone reading this: desire the truth over being "right" and He will indeed teach you. In ways you'll never expect.
James came a wee bit late for the REQUIREMENTS that the Prophet Micah wrote about.
Mary is divinely dead.
Only in paganism.
I wonder if Mary had her monthly, you know, after the birth of Jesus?
Mary (Rome’s one) is a very poor example of a Jewish wife; who withheld her favors from her faithful husband Joseph.
7 churches in Asia, all Catholic...
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