Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.
Things get really tricky with the word “worship” as it’s used in Catholic writings. One thing though that jumps out at me in this post of yours (Syncro’s) is the source “The Secret History of the Jesuits”. I don’t know that work at all, but it sounds a bit too Lorane Boetttner-ish to me IMO. So if it is such a work, an attack tome against the Church, then the word “worship” there may be an editorialization than actual fact. But it might not be.
As Mrs. Don-o pointed out in her excellent post http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3237145/posts?page=3468#3468 , the word “worship” when ascribed to Mary and found in authentic Catholic writings is not understood as we use it today. It’s not too hard to find examples of the phrase “worship of Mary” in authentic Catholic writings but this must be understood with the distinctions Mrs Don-o made in post 3468. This is simply the case, that in such instances (in older times from the 19th century back) the word “worship” did not always mean “adoration” , which is given to God alone. This is always been the Catholic understanding, that only adorstion is given to God. This is what is meant when Catholic apologists today say we “don’t worship Mary”. I’ve never liked that simplistic apologetic because of examples like what you (may have) found here Syncro.
You must understand and accept it this way or else you are telling us Catholics what we believe. Which is simply not acceptable, because the only way error can be proven is to demonstrate it objectively, not subjectively, such as the claim “the word worship can only be applied to God alone”. That is subjective reasoning, an argument really based on semantics.
Geobbells would be proud!
Hey, we've got a catholic priest who says the following:
The entire Gospel of John uses a system of symbols. Each action of Jesus--feeding the multitude, turning water into wine, being sacrificed in the manner of the Passover Lamb, giving Mary to John as his mother--is used by John as a sign of a greater or spiritual reality.
sitting back with popcorn for the redefining of the words.
I know, but others don't.
Your lack of CONTEXT is again noticed.
There you go again!
—Ronnie
In the New Testament the Greek word for worship is προσκυνέω. It is a verb. Various forms of the word are used 68 times in the NT. From HELPS-Word Studies it means the following:
4352 proskynéō (from 4314 /prós, "towards" and kyneo, "to kiss") – properly, to kiss the ground when prostrating before a superior; to worship, ready "to fall down/prostrate oneself to adore on one's knees" (DNTT); to "do obeisance" (BAGD).; suggests the willingness to make all necessary physical gestures of obeisance.]
Based on this from the greek and the examples we have in the NT....catholics are worshipping Mary.
I didn’t know Hoffa was CATHOLIC!
Says the EXPERT!
The problem is with your line of reasoning here that the word for “worship” used in Scripture is not always applied to God. Among numerous Old Testament passages that can be provided to demonstrate “worship” of created beings (that was not forbidden), there is also Rev 3:9 which uses the exact same word (”proskyneo”) that you claim is only appropriately applied to God. It’s not given to God in that verse and in fact God Himself (Jesus) sanctions the “worship” of created beings in that verse.
Oh that you’d pay attention to your OWN church’s father’s quotes!
I understand.
Catholics are not saved by works.
Just KEPT by them.
Some ‘wife’ your church’s Mary turned out to be!
Our Lady of the Perpetual Headache!!!
Trust in Mary with all of your heart.
ROME
No more than it’s pagan PRACTICES offend you.
Yup, and I stuck by it!
Your shot...
Among other things...
Where are the Catholic statues of 12 yo Jesus telling Mom...
“Don’t you know...
When you have blather to say...
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