Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.
HOPE?
You sure do more than HOPE!
Shall I post just a few (HUNDRED) Novenas, never known to fail, that appear in newspapers all over the world?
...nowhere does Jesus say "water".
You DO???
Which will NOT be believed if it runs counter to the constant drumbeat of Rome.
The FACT that NO relics related to Mary are in existence is FULL of GREAT meaning!!!
--Catholic_Wannabe_Dude(I've learned this from reading things on FR!!)
Post 3075.....I saw nothing that gives to Mary anything that belongs to Jesus....Jesus is God.....Mary is His Earthly mother...Christ had 2 natures God and man, they are inseparable thus Mary is the mother of God.....we pray through Mary to her Son.....I’m trying my best to try to figure out what your point is...Catholics love Christ, their savior, Catholics love His mom.....
Yes, it is based on faith; hope of the good without evidence. Enoch, Moses, Elijah, Lazarus, and untold other saints were either translated or raised from the dead. You simply don't know everything from the scriptures that exist at the present time. The LORD Jesus Christ did not promise to build a Bible; He promised to build a church against which the gates of hell will not prevail.
I invite you to attend Midnight Mass tonight to publicly confess faith in the LORD Jesus Christ.
You're quite certain ey? So none of the writers of the time even thought it important enough to write one word but you are "quite certain". Amazing!
>>possibly she lived with one of them or they looked after her some other way..<<
Possibly!!! Possibly??? A major tenant of faith for Catholics and you rely on "possibly"?
>>The fact that no Bible entries were made concerning her is totally meaningless....<<
Bible entries? How about NOTHING from any source whatsoever about her. Christ comes back to earth with all of the apostles there but there is no information at all from any source is "meaningless"? That simply defies reason or logic.
... !.3 billion...out of how many people in the world...
everyone is Baptized into the Catholic church and most follow the religion for a lifetime. When you receive the Sacrament of Baptism, you indeed accept Christ as your Savior...you later acknowledge that acceptance in the Sacrament of Confirmation.
What is a Sacrament, you ask...it is an outward sign, instituted by Christ to give Grace.
Doing what you are told and being good goes a long way to fulfilling your obligation to not sin and follow Christ....do we do it perfectly, of course not, that's why Christ instituted the Sacrament of penance or reconciliation. See how many benefits that Catholicism has, and we also have the Holy Eucharist...another Sacrament instituted by Christ through which we receive the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ, under the appearance of bread and wine....the poor protestants gave all that up because they ignored Christ's command to DO THIS in memory of Me........very sad!
many have tried, none has succeeded...for 2,015 years she has stood steadfast and has never even bent under the onslaught of false witnesses.The Catholic church is the ONLY,TRUE, COMPLETE representative of Christianity on Earth.
you confuse your idea of discernment with DENIAL...not good.
Catholics emulate Christ whenever possible...
Thank you for at least admitting that the basis for the veracity of RC teaching, which includes her claim to being the infallible one true church, is not that of the basis of Scriptural warrant, but that of the premise of her own assured veracity.
For as said, Rome has presumed to infallibly declare she is and will be perpetually infallible whenever she speaks in accordance with her infallibly defined (scope and subject-based) formula, which renders her declaration that she is infallible, to be infallible, as well as all else she accordingly declares.
LOL!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX6v4W71hrE
But seriously, even Ben-Hur eventually made it off that ship. With God, all things are possible ...
Peace,
SR
You stated “You KNOW that Jesus has to be told what to do by His MOTHER!” and “Rome teaches that He STILL obeys His mommy.” This seems to indicate that you believe Rome teaches that when Mary intercedes for us, Jesus must grant those intercessions even if they are contrary to the will of the Father.
Is this what you believe or am I wrongly inferring that you believe this?
You mean like all those "good" Catholics who go to mass on Saturday evening so they can sleep in or go golfing Sunday morning rather than going to church?
you claimed:
the Catholic church is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow.....always.
To which I corrected you with:
NOPE! Only Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. The church you place all your hope in, not at all - and it can be easily proved.
It's a simple thing to prove that not only has your "church" NOT existed for 2015 years, but what bills itself as THE church Jesus established, HAS changed on a great many things. You can, of course, ignore the facts - like many HAVE to do - but it is provably FALSE that your church is "the same yesterday, today and tomorrow - always.". Again, that ONLY applies to Jesus.
Amen, boatbums!
Besides, it matters not what one feels; what matters is if one is IN Christ.
How dare you disabuse RCs of another straw man! Yet, there are those so-called "word of faith" extremes...
Thomas' view of what is called the "noetic effect of the fall," was that the fall did not ruin reason to such an extent it could not be used to determine, for example, the existence of God. Thus Aquinas raises reason from servant of faith to equal partner with faith. From a conservative perspective, this is highly problematic, because the philosophical schools that were spawned by Thomism expanded this equality back into a mutual independence of faith from reason.
Yet Biblical faith is not confidence without any degree of evidential warrant, as secular dictionaries are prone to define it, but not only can the lost know that God exists, and before regeneration can obey to some degree the essence of the Law, (Rm, 1,2) but God provides evidence for believing.
And God appeals to reason.
Yet it is God who convicts, draws, opens hearts, and grants repentant faith, so that the soul can believe, (Jn. 16:9; Jn. 6:44; 12:32; Acts 11:18; 16:14; Eph. 2:8,9) doing what he otherwise would not and could not do.
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