Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.
Oh?
Who's opinion is THIS?
annalex:I don't and He doesn't, that is why I pray to Mary; please read in context.
To coin a phrase that Elsie has used a lot so far.....
You just can't make this stuff up.
Physician, heal thyself.
So that makes her the mother of Jesus, not the mother of God.
That's what I believe. Like I said I didn't realize that some people think of Saints as being dead.
Colossians 3:22 speaks of "σαρκα κυριοις", "masters in the flesh". Luke 1:43 speaks of the κυριος Mary is the mother of. The passage from Exodus speaks of God.
The first is given by the same Church that offers the Eucharist, which is flesh and blood of Christ. We don’t go to pagan services today, let alone eat there.
The second is the Catholic teaching: the Holy Eucharist “profits” the spirit not the flesh.
I can only repeat the previous explanation: When Elizabeth was speaking and when Luke recorded it, they chose the word that is a direct reference to God according to the language in use. No different than when I call Mary Mother of God today. If you can infer that God in Elizabeth’s speech is the Christ, you should as easily infer that God in my speech is the Christ.
Nothing that was received at Fatima contradicts anything in the Holy Scripture.
So? That is exactly the episode where when “men have well drunk” Jesus gave them more wine; that is, made them more drunk than they already were.
The poster was suggesting that Noah committed a sin because he got drunk. That is the context of why I bring the pericope at Cana.
Aha, and what?
Well, duh. That is kinda the point: through Mary to Jesus, not the other way around.
Catholics believe we are judged immediately after we die (Particular Judgement). Some of us will go to heaven. Then there is still the Last Judgement (or Final Judgement).
Two important things will happen to us at the last judgment that were not already done at our particular judgment. First, although our souls will already have gone to heaven (possibly via purgatory) or to hell, at the last judgment our bodies will be reunited with our souls, to join in their joy or suffering. Second, the last judgment will be public, seen and understood by the whole world, whereas our particular judgment was private, just between God and ourselves. At the last judgment, everyone will see how each of us has cooperated or failed to cooperate with the graces God has given us. Both God's mercy and His justice will be visible to all, and even those who, in this life, worry about how a good God can condemn anyone to hell forever will see that those condemnations are entirely appropriate.
This is as close as I can get. I do not have a degree in theology only ministry which is quite different.
Yup; that was exactly what I was referring to.
No Mary is not God. No, she is not dead even though like every saint she tasted death. It is the saints who are with God and everything is possible for them for that reason.
It does not matter how we put it. They refuse to hear it and they refuse to agree to disagree. I am just glad I know it.
No! That would be the Church Penitent.
So once again double speak. God commanded not to eat blood. That didn't change in the New Covenant as shown in Acts. Catholics are assigning the sin of eating blood both to Jesus who was still under the Old Covenant and to Him for promoting sin in the New Covenant.
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