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To: Elsie
29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.

You've got a poor translation. This is most certainly not in the imperative sense. It is not an order imposed by the Jerusalem Church OR its apostles and elders (as those who would like to convince you to believe of the beginning of Romanism and removal of the autonomy of the local church).

Rather, it is a request, a word of wise counsel, a strong suggestion to negate attempts to institute Torah law, that the church at Antioch consider adopting the same rule for themselves, and go no further improvising rules of conduct. The idea was that false Judaizers, claiming to have been sent from Jerusalem, may have their counsel nullified, declined, and told to take their religious rule-making attempts elsewhere.

659 posted on 12/02/2014 5:05:36 PM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1
You've got a poor translation. This is most certainly not in the imperative sense. It is not an order imposed by the Jerusalem Church OR its apostles and elders (as those who would like to convince you to believe of the beginning of Romanism and removal of the autonomy of the local church).

Rather, it is a request, a word of wise counsel, a strong suggestion to negate attempts to institute Torah law, that the church at Antioch consider adopting the same rule for themselves, and go no further improvising rules of conduct. The idea was that false <>, claiming to have been sent from Jerusalem, may have their counsel nullified, declined, and told to take their religious rule-making attempts elsewhere.

Nonconcur; but typical for local church centered theology. The Jewish Apostles had the authority of Messiah over all the local churches, which, in communion with the prophets and other departed righteous, comprised the holy catholic apostolic church. I assume you revere the KJV. And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.

And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia. Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.


But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.

666 posted on 12/02/2014 5:53:04 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: imardmd1
The idea was that false Judaizers, claiming to have been sent from Jerusalem, may have their counsel nullified, declined, and told to take their religious rule-making attempts elsewhere.

Ah, I see.

Much better to listen to the TRUE Judaizers.

707 posted on 12/03/2014 4:41:21 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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