Posted on 09/28/2014 12:24:36 PM PDT by ebb tide
The Vatican denied Pope Francis had dismissed a controversial Paraguayan bishop because of his mishandling of sex abuse accusations, attributing the decision instead to other failings of governance and friction with fellow bishops.
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Something more serious? Like what?
“friction with other bishops” - that’s a troubling reason, considering how horrible the majority of Bishops are.
Under pope Francis
Marxist Liberation Theology in … Opus Dei, Orthodoxy and Tridentine Mass, out
Pope Francis on Thursday forcibly removed a conservative Paraguayan bishop who had clashed with his fellow bishops on ideological grounds.
The removal of Bishop Rogelio Ricardo Livieres Plano, a member of the conservative Opus Dei movement, marks the second time Francis has kicked out a conservative bishop for the sake of keeping peace among the faithful and unity among bishops.
Livieres was named bishop of Paraguay’s second city, Ciudad del Este, in 2004 and immediately disturbed other more progressive Paraguayan bishops by opening his own seminary that followed a much more orthodox line than the main seminary in the capital, Asuncion. Paraguay’s bishops are known for their progressive bent in a poor country where liberation theology found fertile ground.
Relations between Livieres and the rest of Paraguay’s bishops worsened when he got into a public spat with the then-archbishop of Asuncion, whom he accused of being gay.
Earlier this year, the Vatican sent a cardinal to investigate problems in Livieres’ diocese, particularly concerning the seminary. The investigator reported back to Francis, and Livieres was summoned to Rome this week to discuss his future.
Colleagues say he refused Vatican requests to resign, leaving Francis with what the Vatican said was the “onerous” decision to remove him. The Vatican said in a statement Thursday that Francis acted for the good of the church in the diocese and for the sake of unity among Paraguayan bishops.
The Vatican spoke of the need to maintain unity among Paraguay’s bishops, suggesting that political and ideological issues were of far greater concern to Rome.
As a result, the removal underscored the deep ideological shift in the Catholic Church with Francis in charge.
Vatican watchers say it is highly unlikely that Pope Benedict XVI would have removed either Livieres since he had strong supporters among the more conservative prelates in Rome who appreciated their firm orthodoxy in the face of opposition from more progressive parts of the church.
In a letter late Thursday to the head of the Vatican office for bishops, Livieres complained that he had never received the written report from the Vatican investigation and was never asked to respond to any of its findings.
He called the decision to remove him “unfounded and arbitrary” and based purely on ideological grounds, with the decks stacked against him from the start by fellow bishops jealous that his seminary was attracting new priests while theirs in Asuncion withered.
He even took a slight dig at Francis, complaining that while there is much talk under Francis about mercy, dialogue, decentralization of the church and respect for the authority of local church leaders, “I never got the chance to speak to Pope Francis, not even to clarify any doubts or concerns.”
Francis has made clear his disdain for traditionalist Catholics, finding them self-absorbed retrogrades who are out of touch with the church’s evangelizing mission today. His emphasis on a “church for the poor” is also something of a different focus than Opus Dei, which has a reputation of being an elitist movement that, active in charity.
The leading group of the Paraguayan Bishops makes no secret of their satisfaction with the dismissal of Bishop Livieres. Livieres was considered a militant defender of the orthodoxy. In almost every parish of his diocese the Holy Mass was celebrated in the Old Rite. His seminary has many more seminarians than any other of the Paraguayan dioceses and about seven times as many seminarians as the much larger Archdiocese of Buenos Aires. (Ciudad del Este,321,000 vs Buenos Aires, 3 million)
“.. friction with fellow bishops.”
A little too much “friction” with his “fellow” bishops will do it every time.
Now we know for sure that Francis can remove a bishop.
The fact that Cardinal Dolan is still in New York means that Francis endorses Dolan’s serving as Grand Marshal of a Gay Pride Parade.
Francis is a pseudo-pope. He is out to destroy what is left of the Church’s credibility.
It’s because the bishop was conservative and had a very successful seminary that had drawn people off from the other (liberal) dioceses.
I wish this bishop had not given the Community of St John priest a second chance, although I suspect that he was Cardinal O’Connor with Fr Bruce Ritter. The Cardinal called him in, asked Ritter if the allegations were true, and then when Ritter said that they weren’t true, O’Connor went out and told the press that he had full confidence in Ritter. The next day, the tapes came out and Ritter admitted it. I think it broke O’Connor’s heart.
I'm not sure how anyone with a true sensus catholicus could think anything but this.
That certainly is troubling...
Sins against "collegiality".
I think we have a winner here.
Is more serious? Seriously?
Failure to kiss the ring.
Vatican attributes the decision “instead to other failings of governance and friction with fellow bishops”. Just taking the Vatican at its word.
A really unfortunate choice of words, though if Wuerl ever gets in hot water, the phrase would probably make its appearance again.
Until some kind of invalidating illegality in the proceedings of the conclave emerges, it’s reckless to call him a “pseudo-Pope.” I call him the worst Pope since Paul VI, who was the worst Pope in centuries.
Did Yashua wear a ring?
Personally, I think that the Catholic Church will come to regret the election of Pope Francis and, in that respect, he won't be the first and he probably won't be the last. Popes are deemed infallible as to teaching doctrine, faith and morals, not deemed to be sinless people, nor perfect people. Not one pope has been sinless or perfect or even infallible on OTHER matters than doctrine, faith and morals. This is what the Church teaches. This is what the Church believes. SSPX is not the first schism nor even the only contemporary schism to deny these tenets of Catholicism. There are always "Catholics" who imagine themselves doctrinally more "Catholic" than the pope.
Many of those who are having an admittedly too easy job of criticizing Pope Francis, are the same ones who relentlessly attack just about every pope since at least the death of Pope Pius XII and particularly Saint John Paul the Great because he excommunicated their defiant, disobedient, ecclesiastically revolutionary hero, Marcel LeFebvre. Marcel was never pope and, if he lived to be 150, he never would have been pope. Marcel did not merely violate his priestly vow of obedience. He massacred it.
I do not presume to sort out questions such as which Reformed Christian is MOST Christian. I am not qualified to answer. The same deference ought be paid to the Roman Catholic Church in defining its own orthodoxy.
We are here for primarily political reasons. How can we, Catholics, Orthodox, Reformed Christian, Jew and others most effectively join together in defense of this Republic and its principles not how can we riot against one another over good faith religious differences.
Some folks here almost NEVER post as to political matters: Who to support in 2016? Which tax reform is preferable and why? Public school, private school or homeschool? "Gay""marriage" or not? Legalize marijuana or not? What do we remember about Ronald Reagan as POTUS? Interventionist or isolationist foreign policy or something else? Why are they here?
Some folks ONLY advertise the ideas, opinions and resentments of their particular flavor of religion. "Look at ME! I and my cult know better than anyone else!" Why are they here?
One might think that, on a POLITICALLY conservative website, the partnership among Ronaldus Maximus, Margaret Thatcher and Pope John Paul II in putting an end to the USSR, the Iron Curtain, the Warszaw Pact and one of the most freedom-hating and murderous regimes in human history.
I am a pro-lifer. Margaret Thatcher was not. I am a Catholic. Ronaldus Maximus and Margaret Thatcher were not. Saint John Paul II would have been more liberal than most here on matters economic including me. Does that mean that I do not miss Reagan and Thatcher and JP II and hereb fail to honor their magnificent joint contributions to human history? No! Those three were a superb alliance advancing vital values and virtues that I and other conservatives hold. Let us agree here on those matters POLITICAL on which we do agree. Let us respectfully disagree on the few matters POLITICAL on which we do not agree.
In earlier years, I would engage Reformed Christians in debate over their faiths and my Catholic faith. Several things occurred to me. One is that Jim Robinson, the proprietor here, has the patience of a saint with the squabbling among Catholics and SSPXers in HIS living room. JimRob is reportedly an Evangelical Christian but he patiently puts up with that squabbling among two groups who do not belong to HIS faith. This squabbling is simply bad manners on the part of those not of JimRob's faith.
Secondly, this is a POLITICAL website and NOT a interreligious or, worse, intrareligious wrestling arena.
Note that there are some measurable numbers of Jews on FR who manage not to re-fight the civil war within Judaism between Chassidic, Orthodox, Conservative, Reform and Reconstructionist. Nor do non-believers arm wrestle over the respective bases of their non-belief. They mostly have better manners.
Ought FR be used as a venue not for CONSERVATIVE organizing but rather for the SSPX schism to pick off some more members of the largest Church in the US, the Catholic Church? I suggest not.
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