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While, on the one hand, the dismissal of this bishop seems unjustified, particularly those who are not themselves Catholic need to examine whether those "Catholics" who are most dedicated to explosive whining about everything since the late 1500s, are, in fact Catholic or schismatic adherents to the SSPX schism.

Personally, I think that the Catholic Church will come to regret the election of Pope Francis and, in that respect, he won't be the first and he probably won't be the last. Popes are deemed infallible as to teaching doctrine, faith and morals, not deemed to be sinless people, nor perfect people. Not one pope has been sinless or perfect or even infallible on OTHER matters than doctrine, faith and morals. This is what the Church teaches. This is what the Church believes. SSPX is not the first schism nor even the only contemporary schism to deny these tenets of Catholicism. There are always "Catholics" who imagine themselves doctrinally more "Catholic" than the pope.

Many of those who are having an admittedly too easy job of criticizing Pope Francis, are the same ones who relentlessly attack just about every pope since at least the death of Pope Pius XII and particularly Saint John Paul the Great because he excommunicated their defiant, disobedient, ecclesiastically revolutionary hero, Marcel LeFebvre. Marcel was never pope and, if he lived to be 150, he never would have been pope. Marcel did not merely violate his priestly vow of obedience. He massacred it.

I do not presume to sort out questions such as which Reformed Christian is MOST Christian. I am not qualified to answer. The same deference ought be paid to the Roman Catholic Church in defining its own orthodoxy.

We are here for primarily political reasons. How can we, Catholics, Orthodox, Reformed Christian, Jew and others most effectively join together in defense of this Republic and its principles not how can we riot against one another over good faith religious differences.

Some folks here almost NEVER post as to political matters: Who to support in 2016? Which tax reform is preferable and why? Public school, private school or homeschool? "Gay""marriage" or not? Legalize marijuana or not? What do we remember about Ronald Reagan as POTUS? Interventionist or isolationist foreign policy or something else? Why are they here?

Some folks ONLY advertise the ideas, opinions and resentments of their particular flavor of religion. "Look at ME! I and my cult know better than anyone else!" Why are they here?

One might think that, on a POLITICALLY conservative website, the partnership among Ronaldus Maximus, Margaret Thatcher and Pope John Paul II in putting an end to the USSR, the Iron Curtain, the Warszaw Pact and one of the most freedom-hating and murderous regimes in human history.

I am a pro-lifer. Margaret Thatcher was not. I am a Catholic. Ronaldus Maximus and Margaret Thatcher were not. Saint John Paul II would have been more liberal than most here on matters economic including me. Does that mean that I do not miss Reagan and Thatcher and JP II and hereb fail to honor their magnificent joint contributions to human history? No! Those three were a superb alliance advancing vital values and virtues that I and other conservatives hold. Let us agree here on those matters POLITICAL on which we do agree. Let us respectfully disagree on the few matters POLITICAL on which we do not agree.

In earlier years, I would engage Reformed Christians in debate over their faiths and my Catholic faith. Several things occurred to me. One is that Jim Robinson, the proprietor here, has the patience of a saint with the squabbling among Catholics and SSPXers in HIS living room. JimRob is reportedly an Evangelical Christian but he patiently puts up with that squabbling among two groups who do not belong to HIS faith. This squabbling is simply bad manners on the part of those not of JimRob's faith.

Secondly, this is a POLITICAL website and NOT a interreligious or, worse, intrareligious wrestling arena.

Note that there are some measurable numbers of Jews on FR who manage not to re-fight the civil war within Judaism between Chassidic, Orthodox, Conservative, Reform and Reconstructionist. Nor do non-believers arm wrestle over the respective bases of their non-belief. They mostly have better manners.

Ought FR be used as a venue not for CONSERVATIVE organizing but rather for the SSPX schism to pick off some more members of the largest Church in the US, the Catholic Church? I suggest not.

20 posted on 09/28/2014 7:51:07 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Roast 'em Danno!)
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Secondly, this is a POLITICAL website and NOT a interreligious or, worse, intrareligious wrestling arena.

In his charity, JimRob, did set-up a Religious Forum. Did you somehow drunkenly wander into it? Or do you seek every opportunity to blame every perversion of Pope Francis' chosen henchmen and his policies on your imagined gremlins?

It seems every time you enter the religious forum you bring up your gremlins out of thin air. My how they haunt you.

Finally please identify one poster one this thread whom you know is a "SSPXer".

25 posted on 09/29/2014 12:56:44 PM PDT by ebb tide
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