Pope in Caserta asks pardon for persecution of Pentecostals

Vatican Radio ^ | 7/28/14 | Vatican Radio

[BlatherNaut]

(Vatican Radio) Pope Francis returned to the southern Italian city of Caserta on Monday for a private visit to the Pentecostal community known as the Evangelical Church of Reconciliation. The Pope first met the founder of the community, Pastor Giovanni Traettino, during his time as archbishop of Buenos Aires and over the past year he has met and received groups of Pentecostals at his Santa Marta residence here in the Vatican.

[vladimir998]

BlueDragon, you’re ranting - nonsensically.

[BlueDragon]

BlueDragon, you’re ranting - nonsensically.

Is it nonsense to speak of that freedom which comes from above, spoken by the Lord Himself?

Demons might say so.

Those whom were truly Godly would not.

[vladimir998]

“Is it nonsense to speak of that freedom which comes from above, spoken by the Lord Himself?”

No, your rant is nonsense. I don’t think you were talking about “that freedom” so much as attacking us nonsensically:

“Are you greater than God? Should I listen in the slightest to you rather than Him?

“Forget it. I shall not.

“The enemy of our souls seeks to break in, to kill and destroy.

“It appears to me that both of you two gents are trying to destroy that freedom which I do have, given to me by the Lord Himself.”

All of that is nothing short of a rant attack on us and has NOTHING to do with “that freedom”.

And you continue to do it:

“Demons might say so.”

“Those whom were truly Godly would not.”

R-A-N-T-I-N-G.

[BlueDragon]

"...I don’t think..."

You could have stopped there.

All of that is nothing short of a rant attack on us and has NOTHING to do with “that freedom”.

I included you in reply, for reason that you responded to a comment made to me here.

In reply to another having said “And the truth shall set you free” you spoke of [religious] bondage;

"Which is exactly why these anti-Catholics are in such mental bondage."

A "rant attack" huh? In reality your own off-hand comment could well enough be perceived to having been referring to myself, since your reply was a chiming in sort of thing, insinuating that myself and others were in "mental" bondage.

I was merely correcting the record away from what does appear to me to be a case of psychological (and spiritual?) projection onto myself, a thing which according to the Lord Himself-- I am "free" of being subject to.

Which makes my own reply to you, be response to what could well be perceived as "attack" on both metmom and myself, for we were both previously parties to the conversation.

Be more careful in your own off-hand comments in the future -- and things could be a bit more peaceful around here.

Next time, get a warrant. Or get off my porch.

[vladimir998]

And you’re still ranting.

[metmom]

Catholics don’t understand freedom in Christ.

They can’t because they are in bondage to religion and works.

Nothing pushes them over the edge like someone who is free in Christ, knows it, and refuses to submit to their control.

[vladimir998]

“Catholics don’t understand freedom in Christ.”

I understand it. I also understand when someone isn’t actually talking about it but using it as just another mode of attack against the Catholic faith.

[BlueDragon]

And you’re still ranting.

I just explained how it all came about. That is far from "ranting".

But you are continuing to speak empty words, void of truth, avoiding your own culpability in all of this...

In years past on this forum metmom has made occasional mention of the bondage which she and more than a few others see that many [Roman] Catholics apparently suffer from (or within).

A few [Catholics] appear to not so severely suffer from the same mental & religious bondage.

I do believe those latter persons are free by the word of God also, themselves taking His promises at face value, accepting within themselves forgiveness of sin, which forgiveness itself is basis for and integral to the furthering of their own increasing sanctification.

Freedom.

It is a wondrous, marvelous beautiful gift which He brings and gives freely (of Himself) to us, to set us free from our burdens.

Would you be free from your burden of sin,
There is power in the blood of Jesus.

as an old "Protestant" hymn would have worshipers sing. It's true.

Another old hymn, similar to that, in a bit more modern take, one which I've linked to before

Nothing but the blood [Jesus Culture, youtube]

[vladimir998]

And you’re still ranting.

[BlueDragon]

Catholics don’t understand freedom in Christ.

I don't think that is true for all, though it does appear to be the case for the significant number or percentage of FRomans who are encountered on the religion forum pages of FR.

Perhaps some do understand. I am persuaded that some do, as occasionally I encounter evidence a few have tasted of it, at least.

Yet those whom are the most adamant that none but themselves (those of their own church, anyway) can know it [true freedom] and enjoy that, living in it as gift & inheritance from God, do appear to be among the ones whom are themselves the most severely in bondage to "religious spirits", a.k.a., demonic forces which specialize in religious matters.

Still, religious & mental bondage is not restricted only to those who subject themselves to RCC theology and religious system, for there is bondage elsewhere, too.

They can’t because they are in bondage to religion and works.

Pick your "works" based religious system, and I'll show you those who have been yoked up facing backwards in their traces? Poor souls. I feel sorry for them. They gaze upon all the wealth in the wagon in front of their nose, but it's so full of "stuff" it is nigh unto impossible to push anywhere but downhill...

Instead of that sort of awkward, burdensome backwardness, Christ said;

"take my yoke upon you...my yoke is easy and burden is light"

And

"take up your cross and follow after me"

No mention of wagons, or carts hooked up in front of horses, instead of a more sensible arrangement where the horse is free to move in a forwards direction, with the load or wagon trailing behind....

It's no wonder those who do it "backwards" can often be such horse's patoots? The wrong end is sticking out there. Obnoxious, isn't it?

It's sort-of like

"Red Alert, red alert! There are prisoners escaping, sectors 5, 7, 11, 12, 19, 45, 141, and 219! Shoot on sight. I repeat, shoot on sight!."

The demonic usually let the mask slip right about the time they are fixing to lose their grip.

Ha. And some people think the Nazi's invented it. It's been around for a long time. It varies only in extent and/or degree.

Nothing pushes them over the edge like someone who is free in Christ, knows it, and refuses to submit to their control.

That "control" -- it also all too often the demonic bondage aspect. Those forces feed on pride, fear, accusations, and sin. Add it all up, the collective sum effect = bondage. Continuing and yet further... those whom they can convert to their own stinking ways of thinking end up made into being twice over the children of hell they themselves are, much as it is written.

From prison guard unions (rather than adopted sons and daughters of the Lord as many claim themselves to be) deliver us forever, dear God.

I do not recall which wag it was who said;

Wherever Christ would have an altar, Satan would seek to have built for himself one there too...

or something much like that, but it does appear accurate enough.

He was not the first or only, and certainly not the last to have noticed that.

It's no wonder really, that in today's world there are so many so thoroughly convinced that religion itself is the biggest problem of all.

Not that I agree with that view, but if it were not for God Himself having drawn me towards the Christ (and proven Himself to be who the Scriptures say that ~God~ is) I would likely share that view or opinion myself.

As it is, what I have leaned of God through church, is as much in spite of efforts of Romanists than because of them.

[BlueDragon]

I wasn't before, but I just let one rip.

Bon Appetite.

I am free. God told me so.

Do you have any problems with that?

If so, take it up with Him.

Ask Him what He thinks about all of this.

[piusv]

I did prove it. And, yeah, you’re going to do the work because I did mine.

No you did not prove it. You provided outdated articles to try to prove that Francis is converting others. You claim that he is still doing so. You have not proven that. All you show is that a bunch of people converted just after his election. You have not proven that he's still reeling them in in droves.

So since you still have not proven your claim, the onus is on you. And until you do, I have nothing more to say to you on the matter.

Your lazy comment didn't strike a nerve. You made it personal.

[Elsie]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Charismatic_Renewal

[vladimir998]

You’re still ranting.

[vladimir998]

“So since you still have not proven your claim, the onus is on you.”

There’s no onus on me whatsoever. There never is.

“And until you do, I have nothing more to say to you on the matter.”

S-U-R-E.

“Your lazy comment didn’t strike a nerve. You made it personal.”

It struck a personal nerve then.

[Legatus]

Well that fulfills my barf inducing quota of links for the morning. Why would you post a link like that so early in the morning? Now I need a klonopin.

[piusv]

There’s no onus on me whatsoever. There never is.

::snort::

[metmom]

Someone’s *Better than thouness* is showing.

[metmom]

Well that fulfills my barf inducing quota of links for the morning. Why would you post a link like that so early in the morning? Now I need a klonopin.

Hey, I thought Catholics put so much emphasis on the words of Jesus and held them in such high esteem.

What gives now? Don't they follow what Jesus Himself taught and told us to do?

Mark 16:15-18 And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up serpents with their hands; and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

All they're missing is the snake handling and drinking poison.

[metmom]

Yeah, but the small difference is only in the wording which should read, for a Catholic, *Works make free*.