Posted on 05/15/2014 8:58:50 PM PDT by Salvation
I'm sure the AOG, RCC and Presbys may have a different concept of just what this phase entails.
HMMMmmm...
The bible seems to teach UNBELIEF as the disqualifier - not ACTION.
To be sure unbelief (as a positive position, not one taken out of ignorance) is a disqualifier, but certainly not the only one. At least this is where the difference between the AOG and the Presbyterians lies (at least one of the differences), not to mention the Catholic Church of course.
In other words, if one doesn’t believe any sin can “disqualify”, then one may be comfortable being a Presbyterian (since the AOG wouldn’t welcome you), or one could start one’s own “church” I guess. Either way seems to be “going it alone” to me.
The point being we now have at least 2 Protestant groups claiming to have the “truth” about salvation, but they differ from each other significantly. There is no identifiable “invisible church” binding them other than of course a belief in Jesus as the Savior and (in this case) a belief in the Triune nature of God. Which begs the question, “If that’s all that binds the true Church of Jesus Christ, then how does the question of salvation and the impact of sin thereon get answered?”
A question, by the way, I’m not interested in debating because the church I belong to doesn’t suffer from this problem. We don’t have disagreements about important stuff like whether or not we are still under the Mosaic law, or whether or not we can loose our salvation. We have disagreements about relatively minor stuff, like what is the best way to celebrate the Mass, or should nuns wear habits. But certainly nothing as grievous as what the “invisible church” suffers, which both I and other discussions on this very thread have demonstrated.
If you want to put your faith in that, if you want to believe that such cacophony and disorder is God’s plan, all I can say is: Good luck with that. But it’s certainly not the way for me.
I like direct questions; as they call for direct answers:
John 6:28-29
Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
****Like SELLING indulgences?****
Not a requirement for salvation which is what was charged, which makes that point irrelevant.
****You ‘know’ that Protestant teaching is WRONG; because that’s what you’ve been taught.*****
You have no idea what I know or what I was taught, but I will gladly enlighten you.
I did grow up in a Catholic household and honestly never even knew there was anything other than Catholics. I never heard about protestantism as a kid until I went away to college.
Protestants led me away from the Church and then eventually I no longer practiced any form of faith, prayed or read Scripture. I suppose one could call me an agnostic who never gave it much thought.
When in my forties I finally acknowledged God and my need for him, I had no intention to return to the Church. My husband was not just a non Catholic, he was anti Catholic and I was unable to refute what he believed about the Church.
Long story short, after searching out some other forms of Christianity, I had a conversion experience that led me to explore the Church of my youth. I examined all the claims for and against her, read all I could and prayed very much to God for His guidance. That prayer was answered and I returned to the Church.
So, please refrain from telling me what I know or don’t know.
*****You only ‘know’ what they’ve taught you.****
Which is true for all Christians. Not a single one of us has picked up the Bible or learned our faith without the guidance of someone else.
The implication, again, is that I am incapable of intelligent thought or the ability to discern the truth for myself. It’s insulting to say the least.
I can see that focus is not your strong suit.
Let me spell it out one more time.
You charged that Catholics reject SS out of hand in a knee jerk fashion without thinking it through.
I pointed out that many books have been written by Catholics refuting the doctrine of SS.
IOW, that Catholics reject it without thinking it through is provably false because numerous books and articles have been written about that very subject.
It is impossible to write a book about something without thinking it through.
Hopefully, you are able to grasp the gist of the conversation now.
****Guess all you want; for I know that many think the BIBLE does NOT contain enough information to get a person saved and into Heaven. ****
To paraphrase the great Ronald Reagan....
Well, the trouble with our (protestant) friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.”.
By George, I think she’s LOST IT!
I see the pattern here.....whenever there is no adequate response to what I have written, the more the snark comes out.
Carry on:)
More childish snark.
******What a way to dismiss the FACT that the WRITTEN word was ENOUGH - the subject we were discussing!*****
I did no such thing, nor have I said that the written word is not enough to have faith in Jesus, which by the way is how we are saved, not by knowing the written word.
Jesus is the Word.
How about the story of the two disciples on the road to Emmaus. Jesus Himself, was quoting Scripture to them and yet it was not the Scripture that revealed Him to them, it was the breaking of the bread.
Scripture caused their hearts to burn, but it was not enough to cause them to recognize Jesus.
And let’s consider also, that in the case of the pharisees and some in our own times, just knowing Scripture was not enough to know the love of God, which is what Scripture is meant to impart.
They could cite chapter and verse and knew very well what Scripture said about the Messiah, yet they did not know when their Salvation stood before them.
I don’t understand what you are saying. Are you saying that one can or can not lose one’s salvation after sinning?
Don’t you think that’s an important question for a believer (the kind described in John 6:28-29) to have a firm “yes” or “no” reply to?
Or do you think that passage somehow answers the question? If so, would you explain it to me please?
Oh?
Are not sins being FORGIVEN needed for SALVATION?
Sneaky little devils; aren't we!
And yet you imply the very same to Protestants.
I pointed out that many books have been written by SOME Catholics refuting the doctrine of SS.
So? Neither statement negates the other one.
I'll bet not very many FR Catholic posters could tell you WHY SS is not right; but by GOD! their church teaches it, so they are going to believe it.
It is quite possible to repeat something you've heard; without thinking about it at all.
I guess it depends on what YOU consider to be adequate.
(Please stay focused...)
By George; she's GOT it!
Honey; this is EXACTLY what your chosen religion teaches:
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