Posted on 05/02/2014 12:28:06 AM PDT by GonzoII
Amen.
But we as sinners, have to do our part too. Jesus doesn’t do everything for us. Yes, he died on the Cross for us, but we repeatedly sin.
So what are we to do?
I prefer James's summary to yours as I can be certain it is correct. It is not Sola Fide.
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
I see the union of faith and good works as well expressed in this passage as well. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
What Jesus did for us is what we - for century’s - had proven we could not do. And that was to be obedient. The clarion call of the New Covenant is now changed from obedience to faithfulness. And as we are faithful, we remain fully acceptable - through Jesus - to God. That really is the Good News! So there is no need for further “redemption”. That has been completed in the works of Jesus.
Chapter and verse please.
I’m sure you think you do. What I’m also sure of is that it doesn’t mean what the Catholic Church wants you to think it means. The Catholic Church would have you enslaved to works and indebted to the church. But they haven’t rectified that one verse with the rest of scripture.
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Hmmm! Justified by the Spirit of our God and not by our works!!
Rom. 3:28-30, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30 since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one."
Hmmm! Once again a man is justified by faith apart from works.
Romans 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Rom. 11:6, "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."
Gal. 2:16, "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified."
Ephesians 2: 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. It’s not my summary. It’s the word of the Holy Spirit through the writers of scripture.
Did you notice Paul referred to "works of the law?" Did the Gentiles need to obey the works of the law to be saved, and were Jews justified by the works of the law ? No, yet they both are justified by faith and the good works of faith. Just read Matthew 25. I will believe what the LORD Jesus Christ said, and not misinterpret what Paul wrote. The good works that we should do are the fruit of the Spirit and our cooperation as we are a new creation in the Messiah. I beseech you, brethren, (ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits of Achaia, and that they have addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints,) That ye submit yourselves unto such, and to every one that helpeth with us, and laboureth. I am glad of the coming of Stephanas and Fortunatus and Achaicus: for that which was lacking on your part they have supplied. For they have refreshed my spirit and yours: therefore acknowledge ye them that are such. For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
And they were all already saved by grace.
That cute little condescending meme should be in response to the first post.
The doctrine of Purgatory states that Jesus’ sacrifice is insufficient. Do you really believe that Jesus’ sacrifice is just no enough, that we are somehow able to further pay for our sins?
James was not a Protestant.
I believe what Jesus said. He will judge us by our works of faith or lack thereof. Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Where’s your YOPIOS meme? Post that. It’s cute. Like you.
Out of curiosity, that quote that begins “We are compelled to concede to the Papists” — where is the source? Where did he write that? What is the talk or book where he actually penned those words? I would love to know the context.
With respect, that seems to fly in the face of your tagline.
Hebrews 10:10 denies the existence of any Purgatory. Christ's sacrifice is thankfully and wonderfully enough to get this sinner into heaven. I trust I'll see you there.
That is not what Jesus said in Matthew 25, and not what Jesus is going to say to us when we stand before him in judgement. He is going to do what he said. Read the earlier portion of Matthew 25 as well. He is the Prophet Moses foretold and he is going to do what he said he would do. The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; according to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
Chapter and verse please.
Crickets........ No real surprise!
Hmmm a prot that whines about Catholics never answering a question refusing to answer a question. Who would have thought that? Answer: all the intelligent Christians (Read: Every single Catholic.)
So what are we to do?
Acts 16:29-32 And the jailer called for lights and rushed in, and trembling with fear he fell down before Paul and Silas. Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” And they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house.
And what did Jesus tell us?
Salvation by grace by believing
John 1:10-13 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him. He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him. But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
John 3:14-18 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
John 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
John 11:25-26 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
I've asked the mod to delete the previous post.
Try again.....
Jesus doesn’t do everything for us. Yes, he died on the Cross for us, but we repeatedly sin.
Absolutely He does everything for us.
2 Corinthians 5:20-21 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
He lived the life we couldn't live. He died the death we couldn't die to pay the price we couldn't pay. He draws us, He convicts us,, He enlightens us. He purifies our hearts by faith.
Salvation is by grace through faith in Christ.
It's Jesus only. Not Jesus plus baptism.
Jesus plus eating Him.
Jesus. plus works.
Jesus plus suffering in purgatory.
It's Jesus ONLY. He did it because we couldn't and we can't and we never will be able to. That's why so many people keep striving and struggling and doing, doing, doing, thinking that somehow their puny little efforts will be able to add a bit to the tremendous sacrifice Jesus made to pay for our sins. Way to tell God He's not good enough. Suffering doesn't pay for sins. If sin could be purified out of us by suffering in purgatory, then Jesus would not have needed to die.
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