Good Idea!!
Posted on 04/21/2014 8:51:13 PM PDT by Salvation
“They will me!”
Nope. In 2,000 years no one will remember you. No one on this earth will call you anything.
Go away, troll.
Go worship your goat god or whatever it is your kind do.
It's been going on a LONG time...
NIV 2 Peter 3:16
He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
But as I pointed out with scripture, baptism doesn’t clean you up...It can’t take away your past sins.
While it is true that baptism does not take away your sins, Peter tells us in Acts 2 that we are to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of our sins.
Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and they asked Peter and the other Apostles, “What are we to do, my brothers?” Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ, for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is made to you and to your children and to all those far off, whomever the Lord our God will call.”
Good Idea!!
I am coming from the Catholic positon on baptism that is why.
Thank-you Salvation for posting this information about the RCIA ministry. God Bless.
Too many contradictions with Paul??? I’m glad to see someone claim there are contradictions...When I started out I saw contradictions as well...
More recently a few things have been pointed out to me.
Rev 2
1
“To the angel of the church in Ephesus write:
These are the words of him who holds the seven stars in his right hand and walks among the seven golden lampstands.
2
I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked people, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false.
2 Timothy 1:15
15 You know that everyone in the province of Asia has deserted me, including Phygelus and Hermogenes.
I think Ephesus is the only church in rev that was considered one of Pauls churches and wasn’t it in Asia?
1 Corinthians 9
1
Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are you not the result of my work in the Lord?
2
Even though I may not be an apostle to others, surely I am to you! For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.
3
This is my defense to those who sit in judgment on me.
Some one in Asia was saying that Paul was not an apostle, could it be the church at Ephesus?
So if it does not fit why is Paul defending himself?
Paul seemed to make it a point to mention his apostleship many times
We know that there is no evidence of Paul being called an apostle except by himself, we can also see that the other apostles did not exalt their self as being apostles.
Mathew 24
26
Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
If we can believe Paul was contacted by Jesus in the dessert or secret chambers why can`t we believe Joseph Smith was? and I certainly do not.
Paul told the church at Galatia that the only instructions given to him at the council of Jerusalem was
Gal 2
10 Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.
But the actual account was a little different.
Acts 15
20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Why did Paul circumcise Timothy after criticizing Peter for being a hypocrite and going with the circumcised crowed?, was he afraid too?
Acts 16:1-3
Most of the above was pointed out to me by some one else plus like you said I had already noticed a few myself and there are many more, some I take with a grain of salt, a few I do not agree with.
But we do need to remember it was the Catholic Church who decided what is God given scripture.
http://www.problemswithpaul.com/
As I said I do not agree with every thing but there are many things that make a lot of sense.
The problem I have with your premise is that it defies logic, and also Scripture.
Your world must be interesting. Your apparent view of Scripture is totally askew from reality. Your comparison of Paul to Joseph Smith reveals an ignorance of Paul's conversion.
Acts 9: 9 Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord’s disciples. He went to the high priest 2 and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem. 3 As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”
5 “Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked.
“I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied. 6 “Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”
7 The men traveling with Saul stood there speechless; they heard the sound but did not see anyone. 8 Saul got up from the ground, but when he opened his eyes he could see nothing. So they led him by the hand into Damascus. 9 For three days he was blind, and did not eat or drink anything.
10 In Damascus there was a disciple named Ananias. The Lord called to him in a vision, “Ananias!”
“Yes, Lord,” he answered.
11 The Lord told him, “Go to the house of Judas on Straight Street and ask for a man from Tarsus named Saul, for he is praying. 12 In a vision he has seen a man named Ananias come and place his hands on him to restore his sight.”
13 “Lord,” Ananias answered, “I have heard many reports about this man and all the harm he has done to your holy people in Jerusalem. 14 And he has come here with authority from the chief priests to arrest all who call on your name.” 1
5 But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel. 16 I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.”
17 Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” 18 Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized, 19 and after taking some food, he regained his strength.
So you think that after spending over three years teaching his apostles and making sure they were there to witness his resurrection that he would just take it away from them and give it to some one who claimed to have saw Jesus in the dessert>
Mathew 24
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Just in case you can not understand what I was saying, I was not saying that I am convinced Paul was a false prophet, I just say that I am not convince he was an apostle.
Paul came onto the scene just exactly like Jesus was warning his apostles about.
He is his own witness, exactly like Joseph Smith.
NIV 2 Peter 3:16
He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters.
His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand,
But then he added
which ignorant and unstable people wrest, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things;
The above is what Peter was agreeing with Paul on, that does not mean that Peter agreed with him on everything, he just knew when to keep quiet.
What was Peter,s intent on saying what he did?
Peter was told to turn the other cheek if a brother slapped him, but obviously Paul was told no such thing.
Peter did not want to go into a verbal war with Paul because Paul was an educated man, Peter would have been destroyed, Paul did enough damage to him and the other apostles as it was.
Channeling another fella??
I've seen this attempted here...
I’ve seen this attempted here...
To go to all that trouble to try and prove the apostle Paul is not a legitimate apostle is evil deception...
In at least one case, the author resorted to outright lies to sway his audience...
Paul says to follow him instead of our Lord. 1Cor. 4:16
This is an outrageous lie...Paul never said to anyone to not follow the Lord...So here's another lie...
Paul claims to be the "Master Builder" and lays the foundation stone. 1Cor. 3:10
Really??? Let's look and see...
1Co 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
1Co 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Paul says he is A masterbuilder, not THE masterbuilder...And he says nothing about laying the foundation stone...
Whoever runs this site of your just follows after his father, the Devil...
1Co 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
1Co 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
And then he says : For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Paul never laid no foundation. The non Catholic,s argue all of the time that Jesus is the rock and not Peter so if they are right then Jesus is the foundation .
Mathew 16:18
and upon this rock I will build my church; the rock is the foundation.
If the protestants are wrong then Peter is the foundation.
1 cor 4:16
Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.
The point is that it is Jesus who Christians are to follow, not Paul.
You never commented on the verses I gave you which show with out a doubt that some of the Churches in Asia had left the teaching of Paul.
And it also shows that the Corinthians had heard about it and obviously mentioned it to Paul in a letter or by word of mouth, other wise why would Paul feel it necessary to defend his apostleship with them.
1Cor 9:2
2 Even though I may not be an apostle to others, surely I am to you!
Could the others be the Church in Ephesus?
Again Rev 2:2
2
I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked people, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false.
Looks like a plenty of evidence to at least wonder about it.
This is an outrageous lie...Paul never said to anyone to not follow the Lord...So here’s another lie...
Catholics are not by default Christians, nor are Christians by default Catholic.
The terms are not interchangeable.
Being a Catholic is being the member of a denomination.
Being a follower of Jesus, not a church, is what makes one a Christian.
If Catholics are Christians then Ted Kennedy was a Christian. Chavez was a Christian. Pelosi is a Christian. Kerry is a Christian.
Really?
No, the point is the person you are promoting lies...Paul did not say not to follow Jesus...
If your author wasn't so deceptive he would admit that Gentiles Paul was preaching to did not know Jesus and maybe did not know of Jesus...Scripture was scarce and had Paul told the Christians to follow Jesus, they wouldn't have any idea what to follow...
So Paul who had spent 3 years following the risen Jesus told the church follow him as an example on how to follow the Lord...He did not tell them to follow him as the Lord but to follow him as one following the Lord...
What deception you are posting!!!
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