Posted on 04/21/2014 8:51:13 PM PDT by Salvation
5So there, in the land of Moab, Moses, the servant of the LORD, diedd as the LORD had said;
6and he was buried in a valley in the land of Moab, opposite Beth-peor; to this day no one knows the place of his burial.e
7Moses was one hundred and twenty years oldf when he died, yet his eyes were undimmed and his vigor unabated.
8The Israelites wept for Moses in the plains of Moab for thirty days, till they had completed the period of grief and mourning for Moses.
That's right. And who created every human mind that ever existed?
**My son’s wife is also Presbyterian and they got married in her church. They were allowed to have Beatles music played at the wedding.**
Sounds like the PCUSA, a PINO church. More like a social club actually.
Yes, but are they saved?
In the Protestant mind set the right church membership doesn't save, faith in Jesus does. There are plenty of saved folks in apostate denominations. Conversely there are lost souls in solid churches.
That's why conservative Presbyterian churches preach the Gospel in every sermon.
I’m curious, what does that phrase, “faith in Jesus” mean, to you?
Of Saving Faith.
I. The grace of faith, whereby the elect are enabled to believe to the saving of their souls, is the work of the Spirit of Christ in their hearts; and is ordinarily wrought by the ministry of the Word: by which also, and by the administration of the sacraments, and prayer, it is increased and strengthened.
II. By this faith, a Christian believeth to be true whatsoever is revealed in the Word, for the authority of god himself speaking therein; and acteth differently, upon that which each particular passage thereof containeth; yielding obedience to the commands, trembling at the threatenings, and embracing the promises of God for this life, and that which is to come. But the principle acts of saving faith are, accepting, receiving, and resting upon Christ alone for justification, sanctification, and eternal life, by virtue of the covenant of grace.
III. This faith is different in degrees, weak or strong; may be often and many ways assailed and weakened, but gets the victory; growing up in many to the attainment of a full assurance through Christ, who is both the author and finisher of our faith.
You say “Peter, the Liar”.
That “Liar” wrote Epistles in the Sacred Scripture.
Obviously, he returned to grace and God lifted him up.
Not in the sense of Catholicism...That would be faith in Jesus Christ, not faith in a specific religion...
One does not become a Christian by becoming a Catholic any more than one becomes a Christian by becoming a Pentecostal...
It is sad and telling that you consider yourself not to be a born again Christian...
And yes we do have baptism services...AFTER we are born again Christians, as a testimony that we have become Christians...
I also read the other parts; this is what you put in bold though.
Again though, what does that mean in a practical sense? In action. In the world in reality. How does someone " accept, receive, and rest upon Christ alone for justification, sanctification, and eternal life, by virtue of the covenant of grace."
I really don't understand; I'm not trying to be cute or funny. I've heard these words from other Christians before and they sound very theologically impressive but I don't understand how they are manifested in daily life.
Jesus took my sin and I get his righteousness. I put my trust in Him alone.
No different than boarding a plane to Italy. I know that flying is the safest way to travel. I know that air travel is the fastest way to get there. That knowledge does me no good unless I actually get on the plane, that is put my faith in the plane. That it will get me where I want to go in a relatively timely manner and in one piece.
Does that help? :-)
It kind of helps, thanks.
To extend your boarding a plane once you have faith in the plane analogy, I still don’t understand how you “board the Jesus plane”, so to speak, once you have faith in Him.
I think that’s really my question. I mean clearly you aren’t saying you just believe he exists and that’s it (right?). So what comes after belief in him (for you)?
Or is that all saving faith is (mere belief in Jesus)?
I think many Christians look at it a mere intellectual ascent, but I believe it is far more than that. After coming to faith there is the whole sanctification thing. You grow in the Christian life. Your own sine becomes more abhorrent to you. One becomes more in tune with what God expects based on the study of Scripture and through prayer.
Maybe using my airplane analogy you buckle up, know how the oxygen masks work. You pay attention to the flight attendants when they make announcements. There is more than just getting on the plane. Growing in the knowledge of plane safety increases the chance of arriving without incident. Not following the rules and you may bonk your head on the overhead bin when turbulence occurs.
Now THAT is helpful thank you.
And see, I don’t think in this regard Catholicism and non-Catholic Christians are that far off. We both believe...
“It is far more than a mere belief. If you go back to my post of the WCF it talks about what it all means. Fearing God, turning away from my sin (repenting) etc.
“I think many Christians look at it a mere intellectual ascent, but I believe it is far more than that. After coming to faith there is the whole sanctification thing. You grow in the Christian life. Your own sine becomes more abhorrent to you. One becomes more in tune with what God expects based on the study of Scripture and through prayer.”
All of that we Catholics agree. Which is why sometimes I find it odd we (”Papists and Prottes”) fight so much sometimes. I mean sheesh, we agree on the important stuff right? What am I not getting? Anyway...
I gotta log off, not to hop in the shower but hit an hour and a half of DC traffic on the way home. Hope you had a Happy and Blessed Easter!
Thanks again,
I am saved by the precious blood which Jesus shed from the cross and from my baptism which also forgives me of my sins. So YES I am a born again Christian Roman Catholic.
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So, in your OPINION, 2003, anybody who quotes Scripture is a scoundrel?
If you want to bash Catholics, go to your nearby Church. -dumber
I only bash the Roman Catholic cult and it's misuse of Scripture to support it's doctrines of devils. It is a manmade, self-appointed authoritarian structure that discounts the Word on God into second place behind it's "traditions".
My church is the whole Body of Christ, and I am a grafted member of the family!
Why do you believe Paul, the liar? -wolf
Why do you believe the Roman Catholic traditions that deny and defy the Word of God? Crying/weeping is not repentance, it is only a sign of conviction. For reference, see court TV where there are lots of criers!
Describes the response to #55.
(I wonder if THESE popes are forgiven by Christ?)
Unfortunately, history has shown that corruption is inevitable in any man-made institution. I believe it's instructive to note that the New Testament pattern is one of autonomous local congregations of believers. Even in the nascent church's formative years as it spread outward from Jerusalem, you see no pattern of a "Chief Apostle" as elders were selected and installed in every congregation.
I’m curious: which doctrines of the Catholic Church are of the devil? In your opinion?
>>So, in your OPINION, 2003, anybody who quotes Scripture is a scoundrel?<<
No, only those that do so with evil intent.
>>If you want to bash Catholics, go to your nearby Church. -dumber
I only bash the Roman Catholic cult and it’s misuse of Scripture to support it’s doctrines of devils. It is a manmade, self-appointed authoritarian structure that discounts the Word on God into second place behind it’s “traditions”.<<
IOW, you bash them out of complete ignorance and a great deal of prejudice. And I see you show your Christ-like qualities by making fun of my name (lower than quotemining).
>>My church is the whole Body of Christ, and I am a grafted member of the family!<<
You are as “Christian” as muhammed.
>>Why do you believe Paul, the liar? -wolf
Why do you believe the Roman Catholic traditions that deny and defy the Word of God? Crying/weeping is not repentance, it is only a sign of conviction. For reference, see court TV where there are lots of criers!<<
Your ignorance and hatred are showing. Again. Very “Christian” of you.
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