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Pay No Attention to That Man Behind the Curtain! Catholic History and the Emerald City Protocol
reformation21 ^ | April 2012 | Carl Trueman

Posted on 04/05/2014 5:57:23 AM PDT by Gamecock

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To: daniel1212
This is the manner of intellectual dishonestly that brings scorn upon RC posters. You deny that you pray to Mary, yet there are multitudes of prayers to Mary, including "You are our Mother and our inspiration. Hear our prayers and answer us." Where do you get the idea that Catholics do not pray to Mary, except by misconstruing what making requests, supplications and beseeching Mary is.

Can you show me any part of this that is unbiblical or incorrect ? Hail Mary, Isiah 7, Matthew 1, and Luke 1.

Hail Mary, Full of Grace, The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of death. Amen.

Ask thee a sign of the Lord thy God; ask it either in the depth, or in the height above. But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the Lord And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also? Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily. But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren. For with God nothing shall be impossible. And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her. And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda; And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth. And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy. And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord. And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name. And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation. He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts. He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree. He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away. He hath helped his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy; As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever. And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house.

181 posted on 04/06/2014 3:23:01 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: Salvation; daniel1212

Nonsense.

Anyone with any reading comprehension skills, who is not thoroughly indoctrinated in Catholic talking points, can recognize a request to Mary for something in, asking for more than *pray for us*, by reading the multitude of prayers to her that a simple google search can bring up by the dozens.


182 posted on 04/06/2014 4:18:19 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: LurkingSince'98

WOW. The RM answers to you?

What chutzpah to treat the RM in such a condescending manner.

Kudos for .....um.... guts......


183 posted on 04/06/2014 4:21:36 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: goodwithagun; MamaB

Care to provide links to those posts that you claim contain personal attacks instead of making vague, generalized, unsubstantiated accusations?


184 posted on 04/06/2014 4:23:11 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Alex Murphy

One can only hope.....


185 posted on 04/06/2014 4:25:12 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: af_vet_1981
Hail Mary

First of all there is no such phrase in the bible, implied or otherwise. It is found only in the catholic church and football.

186 posted on 04/06/2014 4:31:36 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: af_vet_1981
And need we explore the atrocities of the first Protestant, Henry VIII and his ministers ? or Oliver Cromwell ?

Go for it!

If you think that will somehow offset the SINS of the One True Church leaders...

187 posted on 04/06/2014 5:26:23 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212

This is a good one!


188 posted on 04/06/2014 5:27:32 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom

I did not comment on those threads so I can’t go through my posts. Additionally, when I posted links to threads earlier, the mod deleted them. He/she claimed that was not permitted. You can look up thread to see that post. I posted links that showed how anti-Christian a poster on this thread was being toward Catholic children. Children!
You’re welcome to search Jim Rob’s posts to see them. The first time I ever saw him post something like that was back in the fall when Jodyel started an anti-Catholic thread and then stated that Catholics were not Christians. The flame war that ensued resulted in her requesting to be formally taken off of FR. You, metmom, gave her an amen when Jodyel made that comment.


189 posted on 04/06/2014 5:28:06 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Medium rare...


190 posted on 04/06/2014 5:29:57 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LurkingSince'98
Who do we complain about when the moderator is anti-catholic?

1. Your priest.
2. Go make a Catholic caucus thread and cry in your beer.
3. Sit in front yard and eat worms.

191 posted on 04/06/2014 5:31:40 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Syncro
He's usually pretty busy, but may wish to address your concerns.

HELLO!

Mary takes all the IMPORTANT requests; at a 139 a second rate...


192 posted on 04/06/2014 5:32:52 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LurkingSince'98
I didn’t ask you and could care less about your opinion.

And yet, the mere fact that you've replied, says something...

193 posted on 04/06/2014 5:33:55 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Salvation
We ask HER to pray for us.

HMMMmmm...

Just EXACTLY how does that work?

Do you send an email?

A registered letter?

Just what method of COMMUNICATION gets your 'asks' to Heaven and into Mary's overflowing in-basket?

Mental telepathy perhaps?

194 posted on 04/06/2014 5:40:15 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LurkingSince'98
A simple yes or no will be sufficient.

Says the Inquisitor; demanding an answer.

195 posted on 04/06/2014 5:41:27 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LurkingSince'98
A simple yes or no will be sufficient.

Says the Inquisitor; demanding an answer.

196 posted on 04/06/2014 5:41:38 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LurkingSince'98
And I think we need to kick this up a notch or two.

No answer; eh?

Tighten to the next click; Tomas!!



197 posted on 04/06/2014 5:45:38 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LurkingSince'98
And I think we need to kick this up a notch or two.

I didn’t ask you and could care less about your opinion.

Houston:

we have a problem...


198 posted on 04/06/2014 5:46:38 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: goodwithagun
...yet you use Alinsky tactics by hurling insults.

Says the one hurling a Alinsky-like insult.

199 posted on 04/06/2014 5:48:11 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LurkingSince'98
Do you currently or have you ever posted on the Religion forum under another name??



Listen here!

If you DON'T answer; I'll call you names!!!


200 posted on 04/06/2014 5:52:41 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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