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Vanity, Just a question to Catholic Freepers (Non Catholics feel free to respond as well).
3/24/2014 | JSDude1

Posted on 03/24/2014 10:59:55 AM PDT by JSDude1

Just curious, but I (as a non-Catholic Christian) just want to ask any Catholic friends on here, if you at times personally (or even in a Mass/Church setting) ever use ANY Protestant made media that glorify Jesus (and by extension his apostles and the Old Testament saints)?

Do you ever listen to "Christian" music that was created by evangelical Christians, and played on such radio networks suck as K-LOVE, or ever read/watch any sermons by evangelists/pastors such as Bill Graham (and family), John Piper, etc..

Do you ever use Protestant produced Bible-studies?

I know that for myself, I HAVE Obviously watched such classic Christian movies such as Jesus of Nazareth, and The Passion (which were obviously Catholic produced films), and have caught your ETWN network from time to time (though I don't agree with the theology sometimes).

Just curious..

J.S.


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To: pbear8

The first mass produced printed book was the Bible, a version based on the Latin edition from about 380 AD.. The Bible was printed at Mainz, Germany by Johannes Gutenberg from 1452 -1455..


141 posted on 03/24/2014 4:16:48 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: KC Burke

Yes I read another description of the history of the bible that described the bible as being ‘trapped’ in Latin.

I had to chuckle thinking of Jerome trying to translate from Aramaic and Greek into Latin and Celtic, Gaelic, Old Norse and Old Dutch.

For more than ten centuries it was Latin that was faithfully copied and recopied by the monks and the Latin was read and reread by the priests at Mass.

And then when the printing press came along Gutenberg, a Catholic, and up to eight other German printers who printed the first German translations of the Catholic Latin Vulgate to keep it under a rock.

yeah that’s it... the Catholics stifled the Bible.

For the Greater Glory of God


142 posted on 03/24/2014 4:19:57 PM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam = FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF GOD)
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To: lacrew

Catholics believe that we are saved at our Baptism. We also know we are sinners, thus we take part in the Sacrament of Penance (Reconciliation).....go to Confession.


143 posted on 03/24/2014 4:26:25 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: LurkingSince'98

You and I apparently had the same nuns.


144 posted on 03/24/2014 4:56:22 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: LurkingSince'98

I think I can gain weight during lent with food like you describe!


145 posted on 03/24/2014 4:57:44 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: JSDude1

I have read non-Catholic Christian books and listened to non-Catholic Christian speakers. Much of what I have read and heard is spot on; some of it I disagree with.

As for Christian music, most of what I have listened to and sincerely attempted to enjoy was written and recorded with such low production values that it didn’t hold my interest. But in all fairness, most modern Catholic music is crap, too.


146 posted on 03/24/2014 5:06:32 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Lou Budvis
Yea, being a former Catholic, I know what fasting/abstinence means. I gave up bubble gum one Lent and it was HARD! But, seriously, there are times when fasting and prayer are necessary in a Christian's life and I doubt that the early believers considered no meat for a day or two a week would qualify. I imagine it was more like NO food at all or bread and water only. In those times back then I think most people ate fish as their only protein unless they were wealthy and then lamb or fowl was included, but it certainly wasn't what we think of as fasting today - especially not in this country, anyway.
147 posted on 03/24/2014 7:13:35 PM PDT by boatbums (Simul justis et peccator.)
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To: Verginius Rufus; G Larry
Luther decided to exclude the O.T. books which were written in Greek, and he was followed by other Protestants, but for a long time these books were bound between the O.T. and the N.T. in Protestant editions and called the Apocrypha.

It's probably better that you get your "history" lessons from those who know the truth about that. Here's good place to start: Luther and the Canon. Luther excluded NO books from his German translation of the Bible. In fact, he translated them and included them in the same kind of section Jerome did before him.

148 posted on 03/24/2014 7:22:50 PM PDT by boatbums (Simul justis et peccator.)
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To: lacrew

I’ve really experienced things differently. My family was lukewarm Lutheran, in a very Catholic area. But I believed what little I was taught about the Lord, and Hens led me into a relationship with Him.

In my experience, where at first I was mostly positive about the RC Church), Protestants are soft on it today, and see no real problem with Catholics like Santorum, Scalia and Clarence Thomas. Hardly ever do I hear a word about the RC Church in church or Christian media, and usually, if differences are being discussed, it’s done briefly and with a “this isn’t to bash anyone” attached. (Cont’d)


149 posted on 03/24/2014 7:47:02 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
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To: Faith Presses On

If the Pope or a bishop or any other Catholic does something seen to agree with Bible, they get praised. An example would be, I believe, the woman who left her position running an abortion clinic and became Catholic. The best example to me of today’s general attitude on the RC Church is that my local Christian TV station, TCT, used to run Archbishop Sheen programs.

By contrast, while there is some of that fellowship feeling going the other way, Catholic media spends a lot of time favorably comparing itself to Protestantism. Where I live now, the local Catholuc station even has a program that devotes a program a week to Protestant calls. I constantly hear from Catholuuc radio that only the RC Church has the “fullness” of faith, and I do hear statement bordering on attacks. There was one radio program when I lived in NYS that seemed devoted to attacking Protestants. And, it can’t be forgotten, it has been widely suggested that this pope was chosen to help stop the Latino exodus to the evangelical church.


150 posted on 03/24/2014 8:01:00 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
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To: LurkingSince'98

I grew up in a lukewarm Lutheran family in an 80% Catholic area, in a very Catholuuc state, New York. And while the Catholics around me might at times do some Catholic things, like give up chocolate for Lent, or not believe in abortion (although sex outside of marriage was fine), true faith was not a a part of the lives of any that I knew. It was only an afterthought that way down on the list of influences and interests in people’s lives. And I’ve seen polls that show about 20% of Catholics believe it’s important for people to become Christians, and only around 30% can name Genesis as the Bible’s first book. There is so much either apathy coonected to the RC Church that it’s not surprsing that they don’t care much either about what people outside of it believe about Jesus.


151 posted on 03/24/2014 8:12:54 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
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To: LurkingSince'98
I would suggest that you are not alone in mission work.

Didn't say I was.

Chip on the shoulder?

152 posted on 03/24/2014 8:18:14 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: boatbums

Well boat

They aren’t there now.

Did somebody remove them when Luther wasn’t looking?

When do you think they were removed?


153 posted on 03/24/2014 8:21:09 PM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam = FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF GOD)
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To: lacrew
ok...I’ll bite. Do Catholics gain salvation...or is it only Christians who have been saved?

What are you biting?

If you have a Bible handy look up the quotes. They are very clear.

154 posted on 03/24/2014 8:21:25 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: wmfights

Wha?

Bye bye


155 posted on 03/24/2014 8:22:23 PM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam = FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF GOD)
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To: Faith Presses On

In today’s readings.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3136956/posts

I don’t call this apathy. Why do you?


156 posted on 03/24/2014 8:24:00 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Faith Presses On

Why should we care?

Your saved right?

You’ve got your fsith all figured right?

So exactly why should a Catholic care what a protestant thinks?

AMDG


157 posted on 03/24/2014 8:26:04 PM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam = FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF GOD)
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To: boatbums

I don’t need any help on the subject.

The nonsense that the Septuagint wasn’t accepted because it was translated from the Greek and those 7 books weren’t in the Hebrew Scripture, completely fell apart with the Dead Sea scrolls, containing those 7 books.

Luther DID in fact exclude the books containing material he didn’t like.


158 posted on 03/24/2014 8:26:31 PM PDT by G Larry (There's the Beef!)
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To: Faith Presses On

You will hear Catholics talk about the fullness of our faith but it is not an attack on protestants.

I didn’t really understand until I startef seriously reading the Apostolic Church Fathers and the Early Church Councils and Eusebius.

The history if Church is 10 miles wide and 100 miles deep.

Couldn’t read it all in 100 lifetimes, so no slam at all.

AMDG


159 posted on 03/24/2014 8:38:56 PM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam = FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF GOD)
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To: LurkingSince'98
The point was that Luther removed them. I showed that this was an incorrect assertion. As for when they were removed, it was many centuries after the Reformation:

    All King James Bibles published before 1666 included the Apocrypha.[20] In 1826,[21] the British and Foreign Bible Society decided that no BFBS funds were to pay for printing any Apocryphal books anywhere. Since then most modern editions of the Bible and reprintings of the King James Bible omit the Apocrypha section. In the 18th century, the Apocrypha section was omitted from the Challoner revision of the Douay-Rheims version. In the 1979 revision of the Vulgate, the section was dropped. Modern reprintings of the Clementine Vulgate commonly omit the Apocrypha section. Many reprintings of older versions of the Bible now omit the apocrypha and many newer translations and revisions have never included them at all.

    There are some exceptions to this trend, however. Some editions of the Revised Standard Version and the New Revised Standard Version of the Bible include not only the Apocrypha listed above, but also the third and fourth books of Maccabees, and Psalm 151.

    The American Bible Society lifted restrictions on the publication of Bibles with the Apocrypha in 1964. The British and Foreign Bible Society followed in 1966.[22] The Stuttgart edition of the Vulgate (the printed edition, not most of the on-line editions), which is published by the UBS, contains the Clementine Apocrypha as well as the Epistle to the Laodiceans and Psalm 151.

    Brenton's edition of the Septuagint includes all of the Apocrypha found in the King James Bible with the exception of 2 Esdras, which was not in the Septuagint and is no longer extant in Greek.[23] He places them in a separate section at the end of his Old Testament, following English tradition.

    In Greek circles, however, these books are not traditionally called Apocrypha, but Anagignoskomena (ἀναγιγνωσκόμενα), and are integrated into the Old Testament. The Orthodox Study Bible, published by Thomas Nelson Publishers, includes the Anagignoskomena in its Old Testament, with the exception of 4 Maccabees. This was translated by the Saint Athanasius Academy of Orthodox Theology, from the Rahlfs Edition of the Septuagint using Brenton's English translation and the RSV Expanded Apocrypha as boilerplate. As such, they are included in the Old Testament with no distinction between these books and the rest of the Old Testament. This follows the tradition of the Eastern Orthodox Church where the Septuagint is the received version of Old Testament scripture, considered itself inspired in agreement with some of the Fathers, such as St Augustine, rather than the Hebrew Masoretic text followed by all other modern translations. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_apocrypha.


160 posted on 03/24/2014 9:23:05 PM PDT by boatbums (Simul justis et peccator.)
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