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1 posted on 03/01/2014 10:42:07 AM PST by PhilipFreneau
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To: FourtySeven; Elsie; restornu; roamer_1; dartuser; af_vet_1981

I thought you might be interested in this thread.

Philip


2 posted on 03/01/2014 10:52:50 AM PST by PhilipFreneau
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In summary, it appears the kingdom was taken from Israel, and given to everyone; and those of the first resurrection reign over the kingdom as servants of Christ.

No, "heaven" is merely a circumlocution for a Name of the Almighty. The author is ignorant of a basic circumlocution of the First Century, and thus repeats the supercessionist's error to his own detriment, commensurate with the curses first mentioned in Genesis 12:3.

Any student of First Century Judaism will readily recognize circumlocution. In traditions going back thousands of years, distancing one's communication for the Name(s) of G-d is a mark of reverence. (Yes, "G-d" is a sign of reverence.) The fact so few understand that their Bible is replete with such circumlocutions is shocking. Many people assume that the all caps L-O-R-D is a name or a title, not knowing it is merely an English circumlocution.
3 posted on 03/01/2014 11:05:58 AM PST by Tzfat
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No the “Kingdom of God” is the 1000 year kingdom on Earth after the Battle of Armageddon.

The “Kingdom of Heaven” comes after the last battle when Satan is bound and thrown into the pits of Hell, and the New Heaven and New earth are created.


6 posted on 03/01/2014 12:13:58 PM PST by amigatec (The only change you will see in the next four years will be what's in your pocket.)
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Synonymous

They are the same. There are already people in the Kingdom of God/Kingdom of Heaven.


7 posted on 03/01/2014 12:21:29 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Heaven is where God is by definition.


18 posted on 03/01/2014 3:24:39 PM PST by WriteOn (Truth)
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The article does not note that "kingdom of heaven" is a phrase peculiar to Matthew in the New Testament, which suggests that it is a question of style, rather than denoting something different than "kingdom of God."

Moreover, he appears to equate the two:

And Jesus said to his disciples, "Truly, I say to you, only with difficulty will a rich person enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God." (Matt. 19:23-24, emphasis added)

Verse 24 begins with "Again I tell you." Matthew is repeating the same point he had just made, with different words, for emphasis.

21 posted on 03/01/2014 6:01:47 PM PST by RansomOttawa (tm)
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Different eschatological perspectives consider the topic differently.

Generally speaking, they are not identical.

While many believers are today as members of the Church are in the Kingdom of God, the Kingdom of Heaven has not yet been established on Earth. His Kingdom on Earth begins with the Millennium.

For your study, consider the following topics at http://servantsplace.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/The-Kingdom-in-History-and-Prophecy-by-L-S-Chafer.pdf


22 posted on 03/01/2014 6:25:48 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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"Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you [Israel,] and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof." (Mat 21:43 KJV)

The word "Israel" does not appear in Matthew 21:43 KJV but you added it as if it were used by the translators. The verses following it interpret it. "You" referred to the the chief priests and Pharisees, and not the multitude.

Note that the last verses make it clear he was referring to the then current leadership, not the people, of Israel. Note also that Paul already explained in Romans that national Israel is blinded until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in, which coincides with And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. Note the plural. History shows us this started in 70AD/CE but did not end there. It continued through the 132-135 AD/CE Second Jewish-Roman War when Jerusalem was rebuilt as a Roman city (Aelia Capitolina. Jerusalem later passed to the Moslems. In 1967 it was liberated and unified again in the modern State of Israel, albeit the Temple Mount is still under Moslem religious rule so that could be an extenuating factor.

Regarding the Kingdom I would say it depends on when Messiah returns.


26 posted on 03/01/2014 9:57:36 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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If I can get these angels to stop dancing on my pinhead for just a wee bit, I’ll ask them.


35 posted on 03/02/2014 4:34:41 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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