To: FourtySeven; Elsie; restornu; roamer_1; dartuser; af_vet_1981
I thought you might be interested in this thread.
Philip
To: PhilipFreneau
In summary, it appears the kingdom was taken from Israel, and given to everyone; and those of the first resurrection reign over the kingdom as servants of Christ.
No, "heaven" is merely a circumlocution for a Name of the Almighty. The author is ignorant of a basic circumlocution of the First Century, and thus repeats the supercessionist's error to his own detriment, commensurate with the curses first mentioned in Genesis 12:3.
Any student of First Century Judaism will readily recognize circumlocution. In traditions going back thousands of years, distancing one's communication for the Name(s) of G-d is a mark of reverence. (Yes, "G-d" is a sign of reverence.) The fact so few understand that their Bible is replete with such circumlocutions is shocking. Many people assume that the all caps L-O-R-D is a name or a title, not knowing it is merely an English circumlocution.
3 posted on
03/01/2014 11:05:58 AM PST by
Tzfat
To: PhilipFreneau
No the “Kingdom of God” is the 1000 year kingdom on Earth after the Battle of Armageddon.
The “Kingdom of Heaven” comes after the last battle when Satan is bound and thrown into the pits of Hell, and the New Heaven and New earth are created.
6 posted on
03/01/2014 12:13:58 PM PST by
amigatec
(The only change you will see in the next four years will be what's in your pocket.)
To: PhilipFreneau
Synonymous
They are the same. There are already people in the Kingdom of God/Kingdom of Heaven.
7 posted on
03/01/2014 12:21:29 PM PST by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: PhilipFreneau
Heaven is where God is by definition.
18 posted on
03/01/2014 3:24:39 PM PST by
WriteOn
(Truth)
To: PhilipFreneau
The article does not note that "kingdom of heaven" is a phrase peculiar to Matthew in the New Testament, which suggests that it is a question of style, rather than denoting something different than "kingdom of God."
Moreover, he appears to equate the two:
And Jesus said to his disciples, "Truly, I say to you, only with difficulty will a rich person enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God." (Matt. 19:23-24, emphasis added)
Verse 24 begins with "Again I tell you." Matthew is repeating the same point he had just made, with different words, for emphasis.
To: PhilipFreneau
22 posted on
03/01/2014 6:25:48 PM PST by
Cvengr
(Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
To: PhilipFreneau
"Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you [Israel,] and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof." (Mat 21:43 KJV) The word "Israel" does not appear in Matthew 21:43 KJV but you added it as if it were used by the translators. The verses following it interpret it. "You" referred to the the chief priests and Pharisees, and not the multitude. Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country: - And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.
- And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.
- Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
- But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
- But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
- And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
- When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
- They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
- Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
- Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
- And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
- And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
- But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet.
Note that the last verses make it clear he was referring to the then current leadership, not the people, of Israel. Note also that Paul already explained in Romans that national Israel is blinded until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in, which coincides with And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. Note the plural. History shows us this started in 70AD/CE but did not end there. It continued through the 132-135 AD/CE Second Jewish-Roman War when Jerusalem was rebuilt as a Roman city (Aelia Capitolina. Jerusalem later passed to the Moslems. In 1967 it was liberated and unified again in the modern State of Israel, albeit the Temple Mount is still under Moslem religious rule so that could be an extenuating factor.
Regarding the Kingdom I would say it depends on when Messiah returns.
- Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
- When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying , Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
- Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
- Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
26 posted on
03/01/2014 9:57:36 PM PST by
af_vet_1981
(The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
To: PhilipFreneau
If I can get these angels to stop dancing on my pinhead for just a wee bit, I’ll ask them.
35 posted on
03/02/2014 4:34:41 AM PST by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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