Posted on 02/15/2014 10:52:59 AM PST by NKP_Vet
Feb. 14, 2014 (MonicaKelsey) - When someone says, "I am pro-life except in the case of rape or incest," they are using an oxymoron to describe themselves. This is in essence describing themselves as pro-choice and shows they have a lack of understanding of what being pro-life is truly about. Glenn Beck, who my husband listens to almost daily, is a good example of someone who is highly intelligent, but lacks the understanding of what it means to be pro-life with no exceptions. Let me explain.
First of all, let me tell you about who I am. I am a medic and a firefighter from Indiana. Four years ago at the age of 37 I reconnected with my birth mother, who placed me for adoption at birth. The information she entrusted me with the day we reconnected has changed the course of my life forever.
My birth mother was brutally raped at 17 and as a result became pregnant with me. But in 1972 my life was protected by a law that said that my life had value. And even though the law was in place, protecting me, my birth-mother succumbed to the pressure of carrying a child conceived out of rape and found herself at a back alley abortion clinic at the advice of her mother.
While standing in front of the man who was going to take my life, my birth mother changed her mind. She left this clinic and never looked back. Her mother hid her from the outside world. She gave birth to me and never even looked at me. But she gave me the greatest gift I have ever received, on top of my life. She gave me an amazing family. And for that I will forever be grateful.
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Did I say that?
Let’s address what I said, which was-
“Because what a raped woman thinks about bearing the child of her rapist matters.”
That is my position. I see that you want to attack that position, so please do.
Explain to me in practical reality how what a raped woman thinks about bearing the child of her rapist doesn’t matter.
Go.
Convince them that your solution is best.
Otherwise, how exactly to do you intend to force them to do so?
I am Catholic and completely pro-life. My only consideration is the mindset of a woman raped and traumatized making a decision to abort. She is not of sound mind to be making that decision. It is awesome that this young woman carried her baby to term and gave life to this precious one. To all those who want to abort strictly out of convenience, what are you thinking? It’s cold-blooded murder.
Of course, read the post, I described him as being a temple Mormon, like Beck and Mitt Romney, that means they are all of the holiest and most devout Mormons, and they are examined separately by a Bishop and the stake president every two years to prove it, and are then issued official ID which they must renew annually to enter the secret and holy Temples which are forbidden to average Mormons and partake in the secret ceremonies of the elites, (such as converting Catholic Popes).
I do not believe a child should be aborted in an unwanted pregnancy regardless of how it occured in the first place. However, there are circumstances where we cannot judge those decisions made when the outcome is unfavorable either way they go...and their are many variables to those decisions.
I was in the hospital when a young mother of 12 yrs old delivered her child. The father was her sisters boyfriend of 25 yrs. old. The grandparents would help her raise the child...and the father would support monetarily. So this was a good ending to a very hard situation for the entire family.
But when it’s a life and death situation between mother and baby...it’s something where all manner of difficulty is involved and no easy answers for those who must make decisions.
Well, reading the rest of this thread, I guess I’m now in the it’s-black-and-white faction.
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Harry Reid, Glenn Beck and Mitt Romney are pro-abortion and the official Morman stance for abortion is exceptions for rape, incest and “life of the mother”. That should tell anyone how “devout” the Morman faith is. It is OK to murder babies if you don’t like who the father is. And all three of these mormans support sodomite “marriage”, which by the way is not the official position of the Morman Church, but it is their position, so they go against the teachings of their faith.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/lds_abor.htm
Please explain to me in practical reality two things:(1) Why did you chose to answer a question that I posed to another FReeper? I was unaware you were appointed to answer questions posed to someone other than yourself... I don't care what you think as I wanted to hear the answer from the original poster as I doubt you have the ability to read minds...and (2) Since when does me asking a question constitute an "attack"? I suggest you grow a thicker skin.
Go.
You cannot be a certified holy Mormon as those three are, and go against the teachings of Mormonism.
Read post 44.
I see that I’ve asked you a question that you can’t answer.
That’s all right, I knew you couldn’t.
But I’ll answer your questions since my skin is thick.
1) You posted your question in an open forum. Anyone can respond to your question including me.
2) You certainly aren’t agreeing with what I stated even though it’s an obvious fact.
I never said “the murder of another innocent child doesn’t matter”, you did. That is your attempt to put your words in my mouth, because clearly that is not what I said.
What I said was “Because what a raped woman thinks about bearing the child of her rapist matters.”
So go ahead and tell me how what a raped woman thinks about bearing the child of her rapist doesn’t matter.
Really, I’m very interested in how it doesn’t matter. Please explain it to me.
“Because what a raped woman thinks about bearing the child of her rapist matters.”
It does matter. It just doesn’t matter in regard to the rights of the child to live. To murder a baby is wrong. Always.
Ridiculous to support killing,. But maybe the Mormon church doesn’t have the Ten Commandments.
Have the baby and offer it for adoption.
Will they do. As far as abortion is concerned they tout the official Morman line, murder is OK in cases of rape and incest, and go against the official position of the Morman Church when they openly support homosexual “marriage”, either directly, as in Mitt Romney’s case when he signed the bill that made homosexual “marriage” legal in Mass, and Harry Reid, for being a high profile member of a political party that promotes not only homosexual “marriage” but also abortion on demand. In Glenn Beck’s case he has publically started on his cable program that he favors “civil rights” for sodomite, which is a code word for marriage”. My suspicious is the reason they are not called out on their social positions is because of all the money they give to the Morman Church. Sounds like some Catholic politicians I know.
Agree and agree.
The problem with what you are saying is that the Mormon religion personally vets them every two years, and issues them ID as especially devout and true Mormons, far above normal Mormons who are not even allowed to worship in the same buildings with them, these are all three, men who are expected to become Gods themselves because of the strength and devotion of their Mormon faith.
These aren’t fake Mormons, they are among the best of the Mormon religion (by Mormon measurements).
We all know what you are saying, but they are all Mormons in great standing.
Not according to God.
God is the One who instituted the death penalty for murder.
Genesis 9:5-6 And for your lifeblood I will require a reckoning: from every beast I will require it and from man. From his fellow man I will require a reckoning for the life of man. “Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.
Capital punishment is not murder.
I’ve read stories of children of rape and those who chose life, over abortion, after rape. The common theme from these amazing folks is that two wrongs don’t make a right. They overwhelmingly felt that having the baby righted the wrong of rape.
Until the 1960s when libertarianism/leftism broke out, abortion wasn’t the answer.
Not only that but Willard mitt Romney is Mormon royalty...
According to the Mormons he can do no wrong...
Oh yes it does matter specifically and precisely to the rights of the child to live.
I do not disagree that murdering a baby is wrong, but if the raped mother decides that she isn’t going to bear the child of her rapist, that is exactly what the result is going to be, and no one is going to be charged for it.
I do not see any way at all that is going to be changed outside of convincing the mother to not do it.
That is the only practical way to arrive at the solution that you seek, because forcing them to bear the children of their rapists is not going to happen as a matter of law.
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