Posted on 01/12/2014 5:53:46 AM PST by knarf
You don't need a priest, or sacraments, or a "church", or a denomination, or charismatic 'gifts' or baptism or hierarchal permission, sanction nor absolution ...
You are wrong. Why don’t you believe the word of God?
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
You are a cradle Catholic??? You're in big trouble...Jesus said if you didn't believe first when you were baptized, you will be damned...
"If he will not listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector." --Jesus
Catholics take all of Jesus' commands seriously, not just the passages that agree with Luther's dogmas.
The Catholic Church is the only church that can trace its origin to Christ.
Luther's doctrine of the Bible alone as the sole rule of faith didn't come along until the 15th century, and isn't even contained in the Bible.
"You'll find there in no call to repent either, but to BELIEVE (which in itself is repentance)..."
Ipso facto, we now are "reliably informed" that the Bible contains errors because James is wrong yet James is an accepted part of the Bible.
Salvation is in CHRIST, not Catholicism.
Anyone who does not believe that the Catholic church is not the church Christ *founded* does not need to *repent and believe*. That is not the context in which that command was given and the anyone who uses that out of context like that is wrong.
The repentance is for sin committed against God, not for disagreeing with Catholicism.
It is my comprehensive understanding and belief in the word of Yehova that shows me that catholicism is a pagan cult.
No evidence of that but Diana the queen of heaven as well as Simon Magus were there...Your point???
Of course Christ forgives sins. You misunderstood my post.
Let me try re-wording my answer.
In other words, for non-Catholics, forgiveness can come with repentance and belief.
Catholics should also repent of their sins and believe, but they should also take advantage of the graces available through the sacrament of Confession which Christ gave to His Church. The sacrament confers graces that can strengthen the penitent against committing sins, and also guarantees forgiveness, even if contrition isn't perfect.
Non-Catholics don't have the same certainty of forgiveness, since they don't partake of the sacrament of Confession that Christ gave to His Church.
"Whose sins you forgive are forgiven." --Jesus
You’re going to get fat eating that stuff!
Because there is no evidence anywhere that Jesus turned his flesh into bread...But why would you drink blood when Jesus forbids it???
Why do you accept Christ as Savior, but reject His commands?
Jesus said, "if he will not listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector."
Why won't you listen to His church? Don't you trust Jesus? Don't you trust the Bible, which calls His church, "the pillar and foundation of truth?"
It seems that you put a lot of trust in Martin Luther, who isn't mentioned in the Bible, nor is his doctrine of "the Bible alone."
>> “Grace is given to us by God. To call it “cheap” is not to understand what grace is all about.” <<
The Faith is the gift which is given BY his grace. That is what it is all about. Had it not been for his grace we would never have the faith that leads to our salvation.
Grace is the key to the vehicle, not the vehicle itself.
The grace becomes ‘cheap’ when the faith is not appreciated nor nourished, but taken for naught.
LOL!
FRoman Catholics can’t even decide on their own faith group’s doctrine.
“Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert, but they died;
this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die.
I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.”
The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?”
Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.
For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.
Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.
This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.”
These things he said while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum
Then many of his disciples who were listening said, “This saying is hard; who can accept it?”
Since Jesus knew that his disciples were murmuring about this, he said to them, “Does this shock you?
What if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?
It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
But there are some of you who do not believe.” Jesus knew from the beginning the ones who would not believe and the one who would betray him.
And he said, “For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by my Father.”
As a result of this, many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him
Jesus then said to the Twelve, “Do you also want to leave?”
Simon Peter answered him, “Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.
We have come to believe and are convinced that you are the Holy One of God.”
Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you twelve? Yet is not one of you a devil?”
He was referring to Judas, son of Simon the Iscariot; it was he who would betray him, one of the Twelve.” [John 6: 49-71]
Glad you finally admit it...
I could have said yes to most of that based on what I learned at my Protestant high school and meant it. This coming Easter weekend, I get to say yes to all of it. And mean it. And I wouldn’t do it if I didn’t and couldn’t.
A slew is at least one more than a few...
So the gates of hell prevailed against Christ's Church?
Or did it transform into the First Baptist Church of Memphis?
Or is it now invisible?
But Christ didn't found an invisible Church, since He commanded His followers to take disputes "to the church." An invisible church can't settle any dispute.
This Church that Christ founded must teach with His Authority, since Jesus could have said, "take it to ME," rather than, "take it to the church."
Moreover, this visible church must possess a unified, non-contradictory body of teaching. Otherwise, it could not settle disputes among Christians.
And this visible Church must still exist, since Christ said that "the gates of hell" would not prevail against It.
There is only one visible Christian Church that can trace Its origin to Apostolic times.
It's the same Church that wrote, preserved and canonized the Bible. If you reject the authority of the Church, you reject the Bible, and you reject the authority of Christ.
And your early church fathers admit that the rock is not Peter...Why do you not believe them???
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