Posted on 12/27/2013 8:33:08 PM PST by Colofornian
...For eight years, I had been a professor at Brigham Young University...
I looked down on Christians...They had part of the gospel, but I had the fullness of it. I kept the laws and ordinances of Mormonism.
Three weeks before the end of his two-year mission, Micah called to tell us he was being sent home early—a horrific disgrace in Mormon culture. He had been reading the New Testament. There he encountered a different Jesus than the one I was taught about in Mormonism—a God of grace, not of works, so that no one can boast...
To a roomful of missionaries at his parting testimony, Micah had professed faith in Jesus alone and not the Mormon Church. He told them he had found a deep and genuine faith—one that didn't include Mormonism. It did not go over well. Church leaders told us that Micah had the spirit of the Devil in him, sent him home, and subsequently, back in Utah, invited us to bring him before the high council...
Micah pleaded, "Mom and Dad, please read the New Testament." We commenced. As I read, I became increasingly consumed by reading about the God of grace. I barely ate or slept. It's all I wanted to do.
...In John's gospel, I read, "These are the very scriptures that testify of me yet you refuse to come to me to have life." Salvation did not require the Mormon Church, only Jesus...
...on a chilly October evening in 2006, Michael and I settled in with Katie in our basement to watch the movie Luther. My heart pounded as I learned of the reformer's struggle against the Catholic Church. I seemed to be facing a similar struggle: Did I believe the Mormon system of obedience to laws and ordinances would secure my forgiveness?
(Excerpt) Read more at christianitytoday.com ...
What floods of stuff are you talking about? Links please. And what would this "stuff" have to do with the BOM?
It sure seems like there would be some mention on FR about all this "stuff".
Truth stands alone, on its own merit.
If there is one iota or shred of evidence to the contrary, then it is not truth.
The Bible stands, has stood for millenia, despite the persistent efforts of secularists and various “religious” folks who would twist its meaning to suit their own twisted agendas.
The BoM does not and cannot stand on its own merit...there is not one shred of verifiable evidence to support anything contained therein...thus, I do not look to the BoM for anything remotely resembling truth. Its whole premise is flawed from the very beginning...the truth about the BoM is out there, if one is truly seeking truth.
That’s why I persist in asking for only Biblical references and citations that outline the process and necessity for the LDS temple rites that are required for salvation.
See, I don’t believe God keeps His children in the dark by keeping secrets from them as to how we are to return to Him.
I do hope you have a Happy and prosperous New Year.
Well....I guess you are the exception to your rule.
How many examples would you like?
Why does the mormon church not have a cross on it's churches?
We may talk of men being redeemed by the efficacy of his [Christ’s] blood; but the truth is that that blood has no efficacy to wash away our sins. That must depend upon our own action.”
[ LDS Apostle Amasa M. Lyman, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 299, 1859]
the mormon god drove the mormons out of OH and MO because of their sins
D&C 98:19-20: “Behold...am not well pleased with many who are in the church at Kirtland; For they do not forsake their sins, and their wicked ways, the pride of their hearts, and their covetousness, and all their detestable things...”
D&C 50:4 — what Smith told the LDS church at Kirtland in May, 1831: “Behold...have looked upon you, and have seen abominations in the church that profess my name...”
“...the inhabitants of Zion are terrible...” (D&C 45:70)
Also, Smith said that the affliction, persecution and being cast out of the land of inheritance (D&C 101:1) was because God “suffered the affliction to come upon them, wherewith they have been afflicted, in consequence of their transgressions...” (D&C 101:2)
What ever you have it seems to have started early...
Mormons declared war on the United States
Sally Denton’s 2003 book entitled: American Massacre: The Tragedy at Mountain Meadows, September 1857 (Vintage Books, division from Random House):
“...small guerilla forces on swift horses and under the direction of Danite chiefs William Hickman and Porter Rockwell began harassing the army. Setting fire to the government’s wagons and stampeding its cattle herds, the Avenging Angels created havoc for the already demoralized American troops. On October 3 the Danites burned Fort Bridger, then set fire to the grass surrounding the army post, threatening the survival of the government’s grazing lifestock. On October 5, fourty-four Danites raided an army supply train, burning the seventy-five wagons loaded with three thousand pounds of desperately needed bacon, coffee, flour, ham, and other foodstuffs, and running off fourteen hundred head of the army’s cattle. The army troops moved two miles away and from the smoldering Fort Bridger established a new camp, which they named for the army’s commanding general, Winfield Scott.” (Sally Denton, p. 168)
There is order in the Mormon lord’s kingdom
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The order of the day in the Mormon kingdom just 60 years ago ....
The Mormon Apostle Mark E. Petersen made these comments in an address delivered at Brigham Young University:
What should be our attitude as Latter-day Saints toward negro and other dark race? . . . We cannot escape the conclusion that because of performance in our pre-existence some of us are born as Chinese, some as Japanese, some as Indians, some as Negroes, some as Americans, some as Latter-day Saints. These are rewards and punishments, . . .
Now let’s talk segregation again for a few moments. . . . When the Lord chose the nations to which the spirits were to come, . . . He engaged in an act of segregation. . . . In placing a curse on Laman and Lemuel, He engaged in segregation. . . .
The Lord segregated the people both as to blood and place of residence. At least in the cases of the Lamanites and the Negroes we have the definite word of the Lord Himself that He places a dark skin upon them as a curse—as a punishment and as a sign to all others. He forbade intermarriage with them under threat of extension of the curse. (2 Nephi 5:21) . . .
What is our advice with respect to intermarriage with Chinese, Japanese, Hawaiians and so on? I will tell you what advice I give personally. If a boy or girl comes to me claiming to be in love with a Chinese or Japanese or a Hawaiian or a person of any other dark race, I do my best to talk them out of it. I tell them that I think the Hawaiians should marry Hawaiians, the Japanese ought to marry Japanese, and the Chinese ought to marry Chinese, and the Caucasians should marry Caucasians, . . . I teach against inter-marriage of all kinds. (Race Problems—As They Affect The Church, Address by Mark E. Petersen, Brigham Young University, August 27, 1954)
Thank you for that Link it is from a Latter Day Saint but
SZonian wanted the bases from the scriptures. Which I told him I would gather up those things just because it is not done on New Years eve, you don’t have to get unkind about it.
Most of what goes on can be talked about and anyone who wants to know the rest can follow the Lord’s Jesus Christ council.
The prophet speaks on all thing pertaining to the lord’s church he is the lord’s mouth piece.
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Oh dear one of the main witnesses for the first self proclaim “prophet” Joey Smith’s book reneged..
“...if you believe that God spake to us three witnesses by his own voice, then I tell you that in June, 1838, God spake to me again by his own voice from the heavens, and told me to “separate myself from among the Latter Day Saints...”
David Whitmer - An Address To All Believers In Christ
On 29 March 1830 the Smith family were ex-communicated from the Presbyterian Church in Palmyra, NY because of Joey Smith’s preaching against Christianity and their continual support of his unBiblical views...
Two weeks later Joey Smith founded his own religion devoid of any Christian beliefs, tenets, practices, and ethics...
Joseph Smith’s bastard children
“Prescindia, who was Norman Buell’s wife and simultaneously a plural wife of the Prophet Joseph Smith, said that she did not know whether her husband Norman or the Prophet was the father of her son, Oliver. And a glance at a photo of Oliver shows a strong resemblance to Emma Smith’s boys.” (Mary Ettie V. Smith, “Fifteen Years Among the Mormons”, page 34; Fawn Brodie “No Man Knows My History” pages 301-302, 437-39)
Of this, historian Fawn Brodie herself further wrote: “Evidence of children born to Joseph Smith by women other than Emma is extremely scarce except in the case of Prescindia Huntington Buell. Prescindia once stated to Mrs. Ettie V. Smith that ‘she did not know whether Mr. Buel or the Prophet was the father of her son.’ This statement I regarded with due reserve until I discovered a photograph of the son, Oliver Buell, which showed an unmistakable likeness to other sons of Joseph, born by Emma Smith.
That the Huntington family looked upon young Oliver as the Prophet’s son is suggested by Oliver Huntington’s diary entry of November 14, 1884: ‘Then I stood proxy for the Prophet Joseph Smith in having sealed or adopted to him a child of my sister Prescenda, had while living with Norman Buell.’ The ambiguous wording of the phrase I have italicized is significant, especially since there is no similar entry for any other of her children.” (No Man Knows My History, Fawn Brodie)
My friend noted: It is obvious from this entry that the child was likely Joseph’s, since there would be no reason for Prescindia to have one child sealed to Joseph that she had with her own husband Norman, if born while living with Norman. I have looked for the photograph online, but have been unable to find it.
2. - “Sylvia P. Sessions, married to Windsor P. Lyon, gave birth to a daughter on 8 February 1844, less than five months before Joseph Smith’s martyrdom. That daughter, Josephine, related in a 24 February 1915 statement that prior to her mother’s death in 1882 ‘she called me to her bedside and told me that her days on earth were about numbered and before she passed away from mortality she desired to tell me something which she had kept as an entire secret from me and all others but which she now desired to communicate to me.’ Josephine’s mother told her she was ‘the daughter of the Prophet Joseph Smith, she having been sealed to the Prophet at the time that her husband Mr. Lyon was out of fellowship with the Church.’” (Affidavit to Church Historian Andrew Jenson, 24 Feb. 1915)
Amen Z, a blessed 2014 for you and yours
This makes me weep. How can otherwise intelligent beings be so deluded?
Happy New Year, and praise God Almighty you are yours are free.
Abortion among the early Mormons
Doctor John C. Bennett was the on call abortionist for Joseph Smith
http://blog.mrm.org/2007/01/choose-life-choose-truth/
Sarah Pratt, wife of early LDS Apostle Orson Pratt, related a story from when she lived in the Mormon community of Nauvoo, Illinois:
“One day they came both, Joseph [Smith] and [John C.] Bennett, on horseback to my house. Bennett dismounted, Joseph remained outside. Bennett wanted me to return to him a book I had borrowed from him. It was a so-called doctor-book. I had a rapidly growing little family and wanted to inform myself about certain matters in regard to babies, etc., — this explains my borrowing that book. While giving Bennett his book, I observed that he held something in the left sleeve of his coat. Bennett smiled and said: ‘Oh, a little job for Joseph; one of his women is in trouble.’ Saying this. [sic] he took the thing out of his left sleeve. It was a pretty long instrument of a kind I had never seen before. It seemed to be of steel and was crooked at one end. I heard afterwards that the operation had been performed; that the woman was very sick, and that Joseph was very much afraid that she might die, but she recovered.”Bennett was the most intimate friend of Joseph for a time. He boarded with the prophet. He told me once that Joseph had been talking with him about his troubles with Emma, his wife. ‘He asked me,’ said Bennett, smilingly, ‘what he should do to get out of the trouble ?’ I said, ‘This is very simple. GET A REVELATION that polygamy is right, and all your troubles will be at an end.’” (Dr. W. Wyl, Mormon Portraits: Joseph Smith The Prophet — His Family and His Friends, 61-62)
Dr. Bennett’s abortions were in any way sanctioned by the LDS Church. Dr. Bennett was a scoundrel by all accounts. Consider the sworn testimony of Joseph Smith’s brother, Hyrum:
On the seventeenth day of May, 1842, having been made acquainted with some of the conduct of John C. Bennett, which was given in testimony, under oath…by several females who testified that John C. Bennett endeavored to seduce them, and accomplished his designs by saying it was right; that it was one of the mysteries of God, which was to be revealed when the people was strong enough in faith to bear such mysteries — that it was perfectly right to have illicit intercourse with females, providing no one knew it but themselves, vehemently trying them from day to day, to yield to his passions, bringing witnesses of his own clan to testify that there were such revelations and such commandments, and that they were of God; also stating that he would be responsible for their sins, if there were any, and that he would give them medicine to produce abortions, provided they should become pregnant.” (History of the Church, 5:71)
According to LDS authors Linda King Newell and Valeen Tippets Avery, if the women he approached were reluctant to accept Dr. Bennett’s proposals, he would tell them he came with Joseph Smith’s approval (Mormon Enigma, 111). There exists contradictory testimony from faithful Mormons, and from Bennett himself, that Smith’s name was never invoked during these encounters. Whatever the truth of the matter, Hyrum Smith’s testimony indicates that Dr. Bennett “accomplished his designs” with at least some of the women he approached (see also fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, 311).
ah well....What?
mormonISM is a fraud, started by a fraud.
It is so sad that many are deluded.
The pull of godhood is strong.
The Lord Jesus Christ counsel?
just some old odds and ends I saved years ago while we are waiting for Resty ...
Thank you and wishing you and yours a Happy and Blessed New Year as well.
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