Posted on 12/20/2013 8:46:47 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
Click on the YouTube link below to watch Bill O'Reilly's chat with Laura Ingraham on last night's The O'Reilly Factor (12/19/2013). Bill O'Reilly quotes Luke 6:37, which is displayed on the screen:
"Judge not, and you will not be judged. Condemn not, and you will not be condemned."
Listen to what he has to say. Do you agree with what he has to say about "Judge not lest ye be judged..."?
Now compare what he has to say with what is at Catholic.com and Catholic.org on this subject. Go to those sites and the first thing you see today is a discussion about what Phil Robertson had to say and the issue of homosexuality and right and wrong. They both seem to be in agreeement with the following:
1.) NIV Study Bible, page 1550, Luke 6:37, commentary section:
"Jesus did not relieve His followers of the need for discerning right and wrong (cf. vv. 43-45), but he condemned unjust and hypocritical judging of others."
2.) Holman Concise Bible Commentary, page 453. Luke 6:12-49
"...love recognizes sin in the self before it hastens to deal with sin in others."
3.) Fire Bible: Student Edition, page 1397 [for those in that age group]. Commentary section.
"This is one of the most quoted - but often misunderstood and abused - Bible passages. Ungodly people often cite this principle to justify their sinful behavior and lifestyles. The fact is that God's people must constantly use discernment, make wise judgments and accept or reject certain beliefs and behaviors (See Pr. 3:21; Jn. 7:24).
1.) We have to discern what is right and wrong by the scriptures and take a stand for what is right. 2.) We have to realize that we are sinners (which Phil Robertson did) BEFORE we deal with the sin in others, as Holman shows above, thus showing that sin in others must be dealt with AFTER our own, and 3.) certain behaviors must be called out and rejected.
what burns me is 'know it alls' that quote this verse as if no one can say this or that is sin....We need to judge sin, maybe not the person but the action that is sin....that IS necessary.
O’Reilly is nothing more than a big blowhard. He does know right from left. How his show rates so high is beyond any intelligent reasoning.
Do you work as a publicist for O’Reilly?
O'Reilly is a stone fool. I used to watch but found he is so ignorant that I muted most of his program. He is mentally ill.
O’Reilly drives me nuts when he quotes scripture.... he almost never gets it right.
Regardless of whether or not you agree with them, O’Reilly usuall at least puts forth an opinion that is fairly well reasoned and logical. But trying to parse Robertson’s words between “judgemental” or “personal opinion” was really weak, and given the sentence you quoted, completely wrong.
Of course it’s possbile to say “far be it from me to judge”...and then go ahead and judge anyway. But Robertson didn’t do that. He specifically said it’s God’s task to judge, he just states his position.
Because he went out so far on this imaginary limb of logic, I suspect O’Reilly will stick with it and never admit he is wrong. He will correct his own errors of fact but I’ve never seen him reverse on a position he’s taken.
Phil clarified it and said that it is up to God to judge. Anyway, yes non-Christians, and even some Christians get this way wrong. Yes, we are to judge and discern justly, bearing in mind we are all sinful. It is also a sin if we do not correct sinful behavior, but should do it in a spirit of love not anger.
This verse is probably the lib’s favorite verse because they interpret it to mean we should not criticize what is clearly sin.
What it means is that Jesus is our judge and we should await His judgement. It is also a warning to those who become proud in their self-righteousness and blinded by their own sinful nature.
There is something important to remember about television programming. All of it - all of it! - whatever the genre, is entertainment and nothing but entertainment. Yes, this includes all “hard news” programming, documentaries, etc., everything except emergency broadcasting. Bill O’Reilly is an entertainer. Yes, it may be that he has journalistic credentials, whatever that means in our day, but his chosen venue is an entertainment medium. And he comports himself accordingly.
Take radio for a comparison. Radio is a mixed medium. Some of it, most of it, is entertainment as well. But a lot of it has a more serious purpose. Two things make this possible: First, radio programming is much cheaper than television programming, thus opening the door to subject matter that doesn’t make money or help make money from the entertained. Second, radio is a one sense only medium. All one can do is listen. This helps concentrate the mind of the listener on the words, the actual message or content being broadcast. The medium lends itself toward more serious purposes.
Remember O’Reilly tried radio. He was going to take the number one position from Rush Limbaugh. It didn’t work. It didn’t work for some very basic reasons. I only wonder if Bill truly learned anything about himself from the experience. I think not.
Speaking of Rush, I will say that while he too is an entertainer in large measure, he puts out some serious content seriously thought through. I also appreciate the fact that, unlike so many of his fellows (you fill in the names), Rush does not venture into the area of theology and the Bible. In this he is wise, for he has no training there, and knows it. Knowing what you don’t know is one of the marks of maturity and mature thinking, in other words, of wisdom.
And of course without the application of objective judgement to particular acts or behaviour, the Ten Commandments would have little use. Jesus modeled objective judgement based on observable facts, e.g. Matthew 21:12. When Phil Robertson quoted the Bible regarding sin, he was simply relaying Biblical teachings, not implying that he or anyone else has the right to judge another's soul.
His is the typical Catholic response...Robertson can be biblically defended only by bible reading Protestants...And there is plenty of biblical defense available...
1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
I was going to compare this with the modern Catholic bible version but OMG, unbelievable...
9 2 3 Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor sodomites
They've taken the blame from the pedophile bishops and put it on the altar boys....May God have mercy on you guys...
This week, Robertson called homosexuality a sin. That isn’t judgment. This week, in another country, Muslims stoned a man to death for being a homo. That is judgment.
No human has the power to “judge” or “condemn” - it does not matter what we think, feel, or say about sin,
we don’t have any power to determine anyone’s eternal destiny.
So, when they tell us not to judge, we simply say I don’t, because I can’t. And it’s not my standard of which I speak.
BOR is a poor exegete. I was embarrassed for him last night.
You are surprised? I'm not. O'Reilly ascribes to the Roman Catholic JEDP system. He is constantly telling priests and pastors who come on his show that most of the Bible is allegory and poetry. He never puts a stake in the ground where the Bible stops being a "fairy tale" to him. So I am not surprised at all.
And his quote from Luke? He should know better from his own Roman Catholic upbringing that Jesus addressed self-righteous people applying their standard and not communicating God's standard.
The altar boys were victims, not "boy prostitutes" peddling their wares. How could a verse condemning homosexual prostitution possibility be interpreted as laying the blame on rape victims?
He is and when someone challenges him, he shuts them down and says there is no time to discuss theology.
Actually, his response is in direct violation of Catholic teachings, as you know.
You do know what the bible says about lying, yes?
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