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Pope addresses Marxism accusations, women cardinals
cna ^ | December 15, 2013

Posted on 12/15/2013 1:06:43 PM PST by NYer

Pope Francis leads the Bishops of Italy in a solemn Profession of Faith in St. Peter's Basilica for their 65th General Assembly May 23, 2013. Credit: Stephen Drsicoll/CNA.
Pope Francis leads the Bishops of Italy in a solemn Profession of Faith in St. Peter's Basilica for their 65th General Assembly May 23, 2013. Credit: Stephen Drsicoll/CNA.

Vatican City, Dec 15, 2013 / 09:07 am (CNA/EWTN News).- In an interview published Dec. 14 in the Italian newspaper La Stampa, Pope Francis has responded to several questions touching controversial topics that have arisen in his papacy.

When asked by Italian Vatican analyst Andrea Tornielli about the accusations of Marxism from “ultra-conservative Americans,” who took issue with certain passages of the Pope’s recent apostolic exhortation, Evangelii Gaudium, the Pontiff was quick to denounce such ideology.

“The Marxist ideology is wrong,” he responded flatly.

The Pope had severely criticized the assumptions behind “trickle-down theories” in the exhortation, saying that they expressed “a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system.”

In blasting economic practices driven by greed and leading to inequality, he drew fire from the likes of radio host Rush Limbaugh, who contended that his comments were “pure Marxism” and “dramatically, embarrassingly, puzzlingly wrong.”

In the new interview, Pope Francis said he wasn’t offended by the comments, noting that he has known many Marxists who were still “good people.”

The Pope reaffirmed his adherence to the constant tradition of the Church, explaining that he had no intention of speaking in technical language.

“In the exhortation, there is nothing that is not found in the Social Doctrine of the Church. I didn't speak from a technical point of view, I tried to present a photograph of what happens,” he said.

“The only specific citation was for the ‘trickle-down’ theories, according to which every economic growth, supported by the free market, is able to produce in itself a great equity and social inclusion,” he continued.  

Sunday’s interview contained continued criticism of these specific ideas. “There was the promise that when the glass was full, it would have flowed over and the poor would have benefited from it. Instead, what happens is that when it is full the glass magically gets larger, and so nothing ever comes out for the poor.”

But “this was the only reference to a specific theory,” he repeated.

Pope Francis took the opportunity to re-emphasize his standpoint, stressing, “I repeat, I do not speak as a technician, but according to the Social Doctrine of the Church. And this does not mean being Marxist.”

When asked about another controversial topic, the possibility of women cardinals, the Pontiff was quick to point to the problematic assumption underlying the question. “Women in the Church must be valued, not ‘clericalized.’ Whoever is thinking (about) women cardinals suffers a bit from clericalism.”

As for any rumors about his own consideration of the issue, “It is a line that has come from who knows where,” he said.

Tornielli’s questions also included the recently much-discussed topic of communion for divorced and remarried Catholics. Unless their first marriage has been annulled, the Church prohibits the reception of the Eucharist by these individuals, because they are living with someone other than their legitimate spouse.

“The exclusion from communion for divorced persons who live (in) a second union is not a sanction. It’s good to remember that,” replied Pope Francis.

“We must seek to facilitate people’s faith rather than control it,” he added.

Evangelii Gaudium had noted the need for both “prudence” and “boldness” in regards to the sacraments, saying “everyone can share in some way in the life of the Church; everyone can be part of the community, nor should the doors of the sacraments be closed for simply any reason.”

Pope Francis explained in the latest interview, however, “some (people) had immediately thought of the sacraments for the divorced and remarried, but I did not speak about particular cases: I wanted only to indicate a principle.”

The interview, which spanned three pages, also included the Pope’s thoughts on ecumenical matters and his concern for the poor, as well as his understanding of Christmas as “a meeting with Jesus” in which “the hope and the tenderness of the Birth of the Lord shakes us out of indifference.”


TOPICS: Catholic; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: commiepope; marxism; marxistpope
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1 posted on 12/15/2013 1:06:43 PM PST by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

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2 posted on 12/15/2013 1:08:27 PM PST by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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To: NYer

This Pope is an expert at doubletalk.


3 posted on 12/15/2013 1:11:59 PM PST by miserare (Sebelius is Obama's Mengele.)
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To: NYer

Way to go Rush. You made him take a stand, as squishy as it is... He has Marxist tendencies after all.


4 posted on 12/15/2013 1:12:11 PM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: NYer
he has known many Marxists who were still “good people.

Didn't walk this back; cognitive dissonance. The ideology that has killed hundreds of millions in the 20th century has 'good' people as adherents. Probably 'mistranslated' again.

5 posted on 12/15/2013 1:21:44 PM PST by xone
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To: NYer

Of course the Church could have a special line off to the side with non-consecrated and non-transubstantiated wafers and or wine for those divorced.

It wouldn’t do any good, beyond the extent that attending mass without communion does good.

It would be another cave in to those who assert that they don’t want to live by the Roman Catholic rules, but want authority over what the Church does.

It would be an admission by the RC church that its rules don’t matter, its authority doesn’t matter.


6 posted on 12/15/2013 1:22:01 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

Rush did us all a favor by forcing the Pope’s hand to admit that he has Marxist buddies whom he considers “good people.”


7 posted on 12/15/2013 1:25:13 PM PST by miserare (Sebelius is Obama's Mengele.)
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To: miserare

bump

will TIME withdraw their Man of the Year thing now?


8 posted on 12/15/2013 1:28:13 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: miserare
He lives in Italy -- or, rather, in a tiny state surrounded by Italy.

I doubt he can throw a rock or look out his front door without seeing somebody who's voted for a Marxist party.

It isn't like it is in America.

9 posted on 12/15/2013 1:28:47 PM PST by x
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To: x

Oh, so if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em?


10 posted on 12/15/2013 1:33:11 PM PST by miserare (Sebelius is Obama's Mengele.)
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To: miserare

No, he’s not joining them, but he recognizes that there are people in the world who voted for parties he may not agree with.


11 posted on 12/15/2013 1:42:36 PM PST by x
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To: miserare

No matter what this Pope says you will find something critical. If I were him there is no way I kiss the media’s rear end to try and “explain” what I meant in the first place. Anyone that understands Catholic social doctrine had no problem with what he said to start with. Rush Limbaugh does not know squat about the Catholic Church.


12 posted on 12/15/2013 2:00:26 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("God never tires of forgiving us, we are the ones who tire of seeking his mercy" - Pope Francis)
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To: NYer

**When asked by Italian Vatican analyst Andrea Tornielli about the accusations of Marxism from “ultra-conservative Americans,” who took issue with certain passages of the Pope’s recent apostolic exhortation, Evangelii Gaudium, the Pontiff was quick to denounce such ideology.

“The Marxist ideology is wrong,” he responded flatly.**

Glad to see this!


13 posted on 12/15/2013 2:02:04 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Biggirl

**In blasting economic practices driven by greed and leading to inequality, he drew fire from the likes of radio host Rush Limbaugh, who contended that his comments were “pure Marxism” and “dramatically, embarrassingly, puzzlingly wrong.”**

Glad to see this too. Hope Rush gets ahold of it.


14 posted on 12/15/2013 2:03:45 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer

**When asked about another controversial topic, the possibility of women cardinals, the Pontiff was quick to point to the problematic assumption underlying the question. “Women in the Church must be valued, not ‘clericalized.’ Whoever is thinking (about) women cardinals suffers a bit from clericalism.”

As for any rumors about his own consideration of the issue, “It is a line that has come from who knows where,” he said.**

Are the LCWR gritting their teeth now?


15 posted on 12/15/2013 2:06:38 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer

**Tornielli’s questions also included the recently much-discussed topic of communion for divorced and remarried Catholics. Unless their first marriage has been annulled, the Church prohibits the reception of the Eucharist by these individuals, because they are living with someone other than their legitimate spouse.**

Another rumor put to bed. (Sorry for the unintended pun.)


16 posted on 12/15/2013 2:07:55 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

Read the entire article. He says that Marxism is wrong.


17 posted on 12/15/2013 2:09:28 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: donmeaker

That would be a mockery of the REAL PRESENCE of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist. Lose your $200.00 and don’t pass “go”.


18 posted on 12/15/2013 2:10:51 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: miserare

What drivel.


19 posted on 12/15/2013 2:11:18 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer; GOPsterinMA; NFHale
In the new interview, Pope Francis said he wasn’t offended by the comments, noting that he has known many Marxists who were still “good people.”

Either he's pretty naive or he knows of lot of commies to have possibly come into contact with the any of the 1% or less that are "good people".

20 posted on 12/15/2013 2:11:19 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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