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CHRIST, CHRISTMAS & OUR CIVILIZATION

Posted on 12/09/2013 11:11:34 AM PST by crazylibertarian

Another Christmas season is upon us and once more the forces of secularism and political correctness are out in full force. Schools, government offices and even businesses across the country have been intimidated into submission by organizations like ACLU and Freedom From Religion. They are fearful of even mentioning anything remotely connected with Jesus Christ and Christmas. They overlook some very important facts.

Jesus was far more than a religious figure. He is the central figure of Western Civilization. Impact is an overused word, but no one in our history has had a greater impact. A full understanding of his influence goes a huge way toward understanding our entire culture. The Judaeo-Christian tradition is the only one with a Messiah and if Jesus was not the Messiah, no one else ever was.

His life has given meaning to the lives and work of millions of people. Martin Luther King, Jr.’s status as an ordained Christian minister helped legitimize his civil rights campaign. The mission to bring Christianity to the rest of the world justified much of the exploration of the New World and the Far East.

Jesus has inspired our art, architecture, sculpture and music. His influence transcends religion. Some of our greatest Christmas music has been produced by non-Christians. Irving Berlin, a Siberian Jewish immigrant, composed “White Christmas.” Barbra Streisand is Jewish, Leonard Bernstein was and their Christmas albums are beautiful. Neil Diamond’s rendition of “Oh, Holy Night” is one of the very best.

If we can’t acknowledge Jesus’ importance in our history, we shouldn’t acknowledge anyone’s. Without Jesus, Western Civilization would not be what it is today.


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I have developed this theme over many years and feel it is an important message.
1 posted on 12/09/2013 11:11:34 AM PST by crazylibertarian
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I agree with the Christ part but not the Christmas part. Our civilization would be just fine if there never was a Christmas. Maybe better without it being as how it has evolved into a commercial enterprise. Jesus and the Disciples never celebrated Christmas. No Christmas tree for the Apostle Paul either. And no Biblical basis for it.


2 posted on 12/09/2013 11:18:25 AM PST by BipolarBob
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To: crazylibertarian

My sister finally got her son and his family to watch the macy’s parade. As soon as they turned it on, it was showing trannys on a float...GROSS!

He told me about this when I mentioned the muppets “holiday” special this year featured bisexual freakshow lady gaga, transsexual rupaul, and homosexual elton john.

I feel bad for kids today-society is going down the toilet.


3 posted on 12/09/2013 11:19:09 AM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: crazylibertarian
Jesus was far more than a religious figure. He is the central figure of Western Civilization. Impact is an overused word, but no one in our history has had a greater impact. A full understanding of his influence goes a huge way toward understanding our entire culture. The Judaeo-Christian tradition is the only one with a Messiah and if Jesus was not the Messiah, no one else ever was....

....I have developed this theme over many years and feel it is an important message.

I got news for you - His "influence" is a bit bigger than that. Welcome to FR!

crazylibertarian
Since Nov 24, 2013

4 posted on 12/09/2013 11:35:35 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: BipolarBob; crazylibertarian
Hey, Bipolar my dear, there's also no Biblical basis for praying in English, wearing cotton-polyester blends, treating bipolar mental illness with prescription drugs, voting for public officials, having a written constitution, putting flowers on gravesites, calling days of the week after pagan gods (Sun's day, Moon's day, Tewa's Woden's day, Thor's day, Freya's day, Saturn's day), or for organized athletics of any sort, or for electronic musical instruments or recording devices, or musical notation, or for the use of vowels, capitalization and punctuation, or for men shaving off their beards, or for church weddings, wedding rings, or --- come to think of it --- monogamy...

Oh, heck. If "no Biblical basis" was a conclusive argument, might as well fold up and move back to the Middle East, since there's no Biblical Basis for living in the Western Hemisphere....

Good day to you.

5 posted on 12/09/2013 11:46:42 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("See something, say something.")
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" since there's no Biblical Basis for living in the Western Hemisphere...."

Actually there was a command to do so.
Gen. 1:28 "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it".

Peace be to you.

6 posted on 12/09/2013 1:01:30 PM PST by BipolarBob
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Hey, Bipolar my dear, there’s also no Biblical basis for praying in English, wearing cotton-polyester blends, treating bipolar mental illness with prescription drugs, voting for public officials, having a written constitution, putting flowers on gravesites, calling days of the week after pagan gods (Sun’s day, Moon’s day, Tewa’s Woden’s day, Thor’s day, Freya’s day, Saturn’s day),


Yeah, if it feels good do it, why worry about what the scripture say or don,t say..


7 posted on 12/09/2013 1:03:01 PM PST by ravenwolf
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“The Judaeo-Christian tradition is the only one with a Messiah and if Jesus was not the Messiah, no one else ever was.”

I’d love for someone to explain to me what that means? Judaeo? Do Jews accept Christ as the Messiah?


8 posted on 12/09/2013 1:04:30 PM PST by Altura Ct.
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Do Jews accept Christ as the Messiah?

Are you serious? Who do you think the Apostles of Christ were? Or Jesus Himself? The early churchs? Judaeo-Christian is one who accepts Jesus as He was. A man, a Jew and our perfect sacrificial Saviour with an equality with God.

9 posted on 12/09/2013 1:12:41 PM PST by BipolarBob
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You’re right, of course!


10 posted on 12/09/2013 1:44:19 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("See something, say something.")
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"Yeah, if it feels good do it, why worry about what the scripture say or don,t say..."

That's not what I said --- although I can appreciate the fact that it's much easier to refute what I didn't say.

We Christians enjoy a vast liberty to do things which are not prohibited by Divine law in Jesus Christ our Lord. And what an immense field of legitimate action that is! -- the whole vast horizon of things which are not forbidden by God.


11 posted on 12/09/2013 2:01:51 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("See something, say something.")
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To: crazylibertarian

Is this a vanity?


12 posted on 12/09/2013 2:20:27 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Welll i should have said that i like the celebration of Christs birthday but i don,t like that guy who dresses in red and white with the white beard you know, the one who goes ho, ho ,ho.

It reminds me too much of rev 17 about the woman sitting on the scarlet colored beast.

And also rev 11
10 And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.


13 posted on 12/09/2013 3:25:14 PM PST by ravenwolf
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Hi, thanks for clarifying that. I am pretty sure Santa is not related to the scarlet colored beast of Revelation.

For one thing, he's not a beast; for another, he's not scarlet colored, it's just his pants and shirt; and for a third thing, people aren't making merry because of the murder of the Lord's witnesses by the beast from the bottomless pit.

So that's wrong on three counts.

14 posted on 12/09/2013 4:54:01 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("See something, say something.")
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1.If you rearrange the letters of SANTA it will spell SATAN
2.Santa has reindeer (looks like dogs with horns) Satan has hounds of hell (are dogs with horns)
3.Santa's main colors are red and black, Satan's main colors are red and black
4.Satan is often portrayed as having a pointed chin or goatee, Santa has a pointy beard that could hide a pointy chin
5.Santa gives gifts for being good, Satan gives gifts for your soul
6.Santa has elves (short creatures with pointy ears)that do whatever he tells them, Satan has demons (short creatures with pointy ears) that do whatever he tells them
7.Santa lives in the North pole (coldest place), Satan lives in Hell (hottest place) I know I know they are opposites but what could be better to throw off suspicion

With that being said, I believe the the Santa/Satan connection is a hoax with no substance.

15 posted on 12/09/2013 5:18:08 PM PST by BipolarBob
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Interesting point but the Jesus & the apostles and post of the disciples did celebrate Passover & likely others holidays as well.


16 posted on 12/09/2013 6:13:09 PM PST by crazylibertarian
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If we can’t acknowledge Jesus’ importance in our history, we shouldn’t acknowledge anyone’s. Without Jesus, Western Civilization would not be what it is today.

Don't take this wrong, but all of that really doesn't matter. He is God and he died for sinners. That is of utmost importance. Someone can acknowledge everything you said, which I admit is true, and still be lost.

17 posted on 12/09/2013 6:50:24 PM PST by Gamecock (There are not just two ways to respond to God but three: irreligion, religion, and the gospel. (TK))
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To: BipolarBob
Not to mention, the whole Santa thing is a fat lie to deceive children.

And, I left the church in my youth over: Luke 1:34 But Mary said to the angel, How shall this be, since I know not a man? 35 And the angel answering said to her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee; therefore also that which shall be born of thee Holy shall be called the Son of God.

18 posted on 12/09/2013 7:35:00 PM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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And, I left the church in my youth over

Sorry to hear that. I seem to remember a verse in the Bible about preaching Jesus Christ and Him crucified. If the church would stick to that, we'd all be better off.

19 posted on 12/09/2013 7:41:00 PM PST by BipolarBob
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In the literal sense of the Bible, Christians are expected to believe some fantastic things.

Today, I see the Bible as a spiritual Scripture... full of appearances we won't comprehend until the next life. The real meaning is Jesus' tunic without seam at the Crucifixion - the literal meaning is that which was divided and casts lots over.

20 posted on 12/09/2013 7:58:43 PM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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