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Pope Francis is the Catholic Church’s Obama – God help us
Fox News ^ | December 4, 2013 | Adam Shaw

Posted on 12/05/2013 8:59:37 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Pope Francis is undergoing a popularity surge comparable to the way Barack Obama was greeted by the world in 2008. And just as President Obama has been a disappointment for America, Pope Francis will prove a disaster for the Catholic Church.

My fellow Catholics should be suspicious when bastions of anti-Catholicism in the left-wing media are in love with him.

Much is being made of his ‘compassion’ and ‘humility,’ but kissing babies and hugging the sick is nothing new. Every pope in recent memory has done the same, yet only now are the media paying attention. Benedict XVI and John Paul II refused to kowtow to the liberal agenda, and so such displays of tenderness were under-covered.

But Francis is beating a retreat for the Catholic Church, and making sure its controversial doctrines are whispered, not yelled – no wonder the New York Times is in love....

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: catholics; obama; popefrancis
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Please remember, my name isn't Adam Shaw.
1 posted on 12/05/2013 8:59:37 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ping for later reading...of the PINGS!! LOL!


2 posted on 12/05/2013 9:04:15 AM PST by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I really want(ed) to go back to the church of my youth.

I kept imagining that it would cease its swing to the left and get back to religion. ‘Twould seem that boy boinking priests and commie ideology would someday be perceived to be not very good Christian policy.

However, evidently, I’m wrong.

Oh well, thankfully there are other churches.


3 posted on 12/05/2013 9:04:43 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Please remember, my name isn't Adam Shaw.

I take it this is the article complained about in this thread?
Fox News opinion piece BLASTS Pope Francis as “the Catholic Church’s Obama”

4 posted on 12/05/2013 9:06:33 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Da Coyote; Rich21IE; NYer

Find a church with a Tidentine or Maronite Mass. You will not be disappointed.


5 posted on 12/05/2013 9:10:27 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why is it when we finally get the straight scoop from Pope Francis rather than thru media filters we get a whole different picture?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3098520/posts


6 posted on 12/05/2013 9:10:58 AM PST by Slyfox (Satan's goal is to rub out the image of God he sees in the face of every human.)
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To: Slyfox

How does that link about Lenin, useful idiots and communism have any relation to this thread about the pope, or am I missing something?


7 posted on 12/05/2013 9:14:37 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("Of the 4 wars in my lifetime none came about because the US was too strong." Reagan)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh, yeah. The Pope....


8 posted on 12/05/2013 9:19:05 AM PST by onedoug
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What Fox News (and all the others) don’t get is that Pope Francis, when he speaks (or writes) ... he is speaking universally ... not just about the USA. They don’t get that.

It would do anyone interested in this topic good to actually read what the pope wrote - in context. Word for word ... beginning to end. Draw your own conclusions, not what some talking head on TV says.

I haven’t read this document front to back yet, but I do plan to. That’s the only way to completely understand what the pope is saying.


9 posted on 12/05/2013 9:19:42 AM PST by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Adam Shaw is a relative of mine. I already checked with him.

And, about the article, I was scared as heck when I heard his pronouncements. Although frequently the target of ridicule by the left (at least in recent history), the Catholic Pope has much earthly power and will use it.


10 posted on 12/05/2013 9:20:08 AM PST by LurkedLongEnough
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To: al_c

i see what you are saying, but WHY? why is this necessary now, with this Pope? why does he obfuscate his message so that there are myriad interpretations? What is to be gained from it? There was no such confusion with prior popes at least in MY memory. he has done nothing but give cover to the religious left and confound and unsettle those of us Catholics on the right. i read again and again that he has been mistranslated, that it’s taken out of context etc. why is it a recurring problem with him, but has not been with any other? i am a faithful Catholic, and i am reserving judgement on Pope Francis, but i am more than a little unsettled.


11 posted on 12/05/2013 9:24:05 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

I wonder if Obama guard dog media is using Pope Francis to divert attention from Obamacare and other Obama follies?


12 posted on 12/05/2013 9:25:14 AM PST by Amendment10
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not such kind words for the free market, however. In his recent apostolic exhortation he slammed unfettered capitalism, calling it ‘a new tyranny.’

Apart from the fact that there is no major nation practicing unfettered capitalism (like Obama, Francis loves attacking straw men) there is more real tyranny in socialist cesspools like Francis’ home of Argentina than in places where capitalism is predominant.

In the document he rejects the free market and calls for governments to overhaul financial systems so they attack inequality. In doing so he shows himself painfully misguided on economics, failing to see that free markets have consistently lifted the poor out of poverty, while socialism merely entrenches them in it, or kills them outright.

If the above it true i will have to agree, Jesus taught freedom, in the form of capitalism, this is explained very well in Mat 20

15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?

Just a few words but refutes every thing the socialists say against capitalism.

If not for freedom in the form of capitalism no one would have anything of their own.


13 posted on 12/05/2013 9:31:15 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: al_c

I agree. When the Pope says we need to have compassion for the poor, liberals hear “We should take care of welfare queens and baby boomers who haven’t been able to leverage their two Phd’s into a good occupation”.

They don’t understand that the Pope’s definition of poor is impoverished, hungry, under the thumb of a narco-corrupt government, and without hope or opportunity.

They are projecting their own twisted beliefs on him.


14 posted on 12/05/2013 9:35:04 AM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: al_c

I have zero interest in what a Pope says, I only care about what the word of God says.


15 posted on 12/05/2013 9:39:06 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Christ is the head of His Church. Christ alone. Not any man - pope, bishop, priest, pastor, whatever.

If you pray to anyone or anything except God, you are imputing god-status to them. You are stating that they have the power of God to know all things. Prayer is worship. Don't worship people.

"And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." - Luke 4:8

16 posted on 12/05/2013 9:44:50 AM PST by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh sure you tell us that now. The headline tells me all I need to know and that is that Adam Shaw is talking out the end of his digestive tract. That tells me that you are indeed NOT Adam Shaw.


17 posted on 12/05/2013 9:46:18 AM PST by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Salvation

Amen to that! :)


18 posted on 12/05/2013 9:59:15 AM PST by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal! ,)
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To: lacrew; al_c; xsmommy

Some of us have already read the document.

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.html

The very existence of the subtitle, “The economy and the distribution of income” is disturbing. The contents confirm what one would expect to find under such drivel.


19 posted on 12/05/2013 10:03:52 AM PST by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: cizinec

thanks for the link.


20 posted on 12/05/2013 10:09:33 AM PST by xsmommy
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