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“I Haven’t Killed Anyone!” What Serious Sins Will Exclude Us From the Kingdom of God?
Homiletic & Pastoral Review ^ | November 21, 2013 | Ralph Martin, S.T.D.

Posted on 11/28/2013 5:54:01 AM PST by NYer

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To: Salvation
>>Aren’t you forgetting the Sin against the Holy Spirit? That is the one and only unforgiveable sin.<<

What would one have to do to “sin against the Holy Spirit”?

41 posted on 11/28/2013 9:12:42 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: oh8eleven
So, the universe created itself (i.e. something) from nothing?

I don't know where the universe "came" from. Physics is poorly understood prior to the Planck epoch; perhaps in the future we'll achieve a greater understanding. Perhaps not.

And humans are just an accident of chemistry & biology?

As far as I can tell...yes.

And with untold trillions x 1099999 ... of planets, where are all the other (accidental) life forms?

We don't have the technology to detect life on extrasolar planets, although the next generation of space telescopes may indirectly show evidence of life by detecting significant amounts of free oxygen in the atmospheres of such planets.

42 posted on 11/28/2013 9:13:33 AM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Kip Russell

on liberal wiki

Go to the source — not wiki


43 posted on 11/28/2013 9:14:22 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Chode

Happy Thanksgiving to you as well. Eat hardy and keep your powder dry.


44 posted on 11/28/2013 9:15:33 AM PST by 426cuda (This world in not my home I'm just a passin through.)
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To: Salvation
Go to the source — not wiki

Shrug. Ok. Here's a rather comprehensive look at the Wager, with an extensive bibliography:

http://www.iep.utm.edu/pasc-wag/#H4

45 posted on 11/28/2013 9:21:37 AM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Kip Russell
Physics is poorly understood ... We don't have the technology to detect life on extrasolar planets
Physics is poorly understood now? No, you're just beating around the bush now.
And we're the smartest people in the universe? No others can detect/communicate with us?
Enjoy your Thanksgiving dinner ...
46 posted on 11/28/2013 9:26:07 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: MNDude
>>After reading the Bible, I’ve changed my beliefs that there most likely is a purgatory.<<

Where in scripture did you find that? I have been studying scripture for near 40 years and have not found anything remotely saying there is a purgatory.

47 posted on 11/28/2013 9:31:29 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

Many dear souls have tormented themselves, or have been tormented by the devil, with the awful thought that they are guilty of that particular sin; whereas deep in their hearts they fully recognize the Deity of the Lord Jesus and have no thought of attributing to the devil the power wrought in Him.


48 posted on 11/28/2013 9:35:18 AM PST by 426cuda (This world in not my home I'm just a passin through.)
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To: Kip Russell
...but lacking such evidence, why assume that it does?

So that I understand you more clearly, do you believe in the concept or existence of the human soul?

It's easy to verify by experience the physical, emotional and mental levels of your human reality, but are there other levels that you're not fully aware of or remember, such as spiritual levels of your existence or the intuitive bridge to them?

What of the anecdotal evidence from the mountains of personal testimony of those who have experienced these levels themselves?

Here in the matrix, life is but a dream, but what is the dreamer and what created and programmed the matrix?

49 posted on 11/28/2013 9:38:05 AM PST by GBA (Ezekiel ch. 7, verses 1-14...our consequences?)
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To: Salvation
Aren’t you forgetting the Sin against the Holy Spirit? That is the one and only unforgiveable sin.

Yup, according to the bible, that's it, the only unforgivable sin.
50 posted on 11/28/2013 9:44:54 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: 426cuda
>>Many dear souls have tormented themselves, or have been tormented by the devil, with the awful thought that they are guilty of that particular sin;<<

Yep, that’s what a man made rules based salvation leads to.

51 posted on 11/28/2013 9:47:19 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: oh8eleven
Physics is poorly understood now?

Please include the full quote. I said: "Physics is poorly understood prior to the Planck epoch". Do you disagree? If you do understand the physics of the Big Bang prior to Planck epoch, I suggest you contact the Nobel Committee...your prize is waiting.

And we're the smartest people in the universe?

There is no evidence that any other "people" exist anywhere outside of Earth. This doesn't mean they aren't there, of course. Heck, I think it's likely...the universe is big.

No others can detect/communicate with us?

How exactly do you suggest they detect/communicate with us? Lightspeed delays mean that even if there's a highly technological civilization in the nearest major galaxy (Andromeda), it will take 2 million years for them to detect us, and 2 million more years for their message of, "Hi there...how ya doin'?" to get to us.

Enjoy your Thanksgiving dinner ...

And a happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.

52 posted on 11/28/2013 10:18:11 AM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: GBA
So that I understand you more clearly, do you believe in the concept or existence of the human soul?

No, I have no such belief.

t's easy to verify by experience the physical, emotional and mental levels of your human reality, but are there other levels that you're not fully aware of or remember, such as spiritual levels of your existence or the intuitive bridge to them?

What spiritual levels? What bridge? I see no evidence of either.

What of the anecdotal evidence from the mountains of personal testimony of those who have experienced these levels themselves?

There's mountains of anecdotal evidence for Bigfoot, alien abductions, ESP, and ghosts as well...but when these claims are subjected to scientific scrutiny, they evaporate like a puddle of water on a hot sunny day.

Here in the matrix, life is but a dream, but what is the dreamer and what created and programmed the matrix?

Lightweight, but amusing movie (the sequels weren't as good). As a model for investigating the universe...not so much.

53 posted on 11/28/2013 10:24:04 AM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: CynicalBear

Amen brother. You said it.


54 posted on 11/28/2013 10:51:49 AM PST by 426cuda (This world in not my home I'm just a passin through.)
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To: Kip Russell

Why assume it doesn’t?


55 posted on 11/28/2013 11:01:44 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr
Why assume it doesn’t?

To be precise, I'm not assuming that the supernatural doesn't exist. I simply have no belief that it does. This illustrates the difference between weak and strong atheism.

Weak atheism (my position): a person does not believe in the existence of any deities, but does not explicitly assert there to be none.

Strong atheism: a person asserts that no deities exist.

56 posted on 11/28/2013 11:11:44 AM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Kip Russell
Just as an aside, as I read your list, that would mean that anyone who affiliates themselves with a Protestant denomination rather than a Catholic one has committed an unforgivable sin, and will accordingly roast in Hell. Is that correct, or am I misreading it?

The Catholic Church teaches "Outside the Church there is no salvation." However, that must be understood as the Church understands it. The route to salvation is repentance and reform. That route is open to everyone. The Sacraments of the Church are intended to make that route easier for Catholics, but that route is not impossible even in the absence of the Sacraments. The Church has never taught that non-Catholics are automatically damned. God is not a monster, and wants everyone to be saved. If you are damned, it will be by your own actions, not for any other reason.

57 posted on 11/28/2013 11:26:40 AM PST by JoeFromSidney ( book, RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY, available from Amazon.)
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To: Kip Russell
Fair enough. I accept that your rationality enables the paradox of eyes that see without seeing.

Good luck getting out of that trap! Many like it there, for as long as the illusion lasts.

Perhaps, when thirsty, you will again seek to drink or perhaps not. Much awaits you...either way.

Just take care to choose the right cup to drink from next time.

You'll know it by the knock at the door...

58 posted on 11/28/2013 11:29:11 AM PST by GBA (Ezekiel ch. 7, verses 1-14...our consequences?)
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To: SoConPubbie; Salvation

The Holy Spirit is the One who witnesses and gives confirmation to every person that Jesus is the Messiah and the only One from whom we receive salvation.

All sins capable of being committed are forgiven EXCEPT ONE (the unforgivable sin) — which is REJECTING THE WITNESS of the Holy Spirit in affirming that Jesus is the Messiah of Israel and Savior for all who accept Him as such.

Hence REJECTING the Holy Spirit and His witness of Jesus the Messiah (and His is the ONLY WITNESS that is authoritative and inerrant, not any person’s witness) - is rejecting the salvation that comes from the Messiah of Israel - and IS PERMANENT once one dies. It’s UNFORGIVABLE.

Therefore do NOT DENY the witness of the Holy Spirit and hence, engage in the UNFORGIVABLE SIN!


59 posted on 11/28/2013 11:30:19 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: BwanaNdege

That was a very meaningful post for me. Thanks for taking the time to write that one. I am sure I will read it many times again.

Thanks.


60 posted on 11/28/2013 11:37:22 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Free goodies for all -- Freedom for none.)
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