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To: chesley
But it is obvious.

All we need do is read the story of the Annunciation and allow ourselves to understand the plain words of Gabriel, emissary of God.

He gave Mary the title "Full of Grace". Chaire, Kecharitomene

Here is clear scripture with a clear meaning. Mary was Full of Grace. No sin at all.

It's meaning was certainly obvious to the early Greek Fathers , who were greeks of a culture basically identical to that of St Luke's. They certainly understood the same by Chaire, Kecharitomene as we do today.

For instance Gregory Thaumaturgus (205-270 AD): wrote the following exposition on the meaning of Luke's gospel and Chaire, Kecharitomene.

It was obvious to greeks in 250 AD. They hadn't fallen into our modern habit of taking tidbits of scripture and running them like insane little DOS commands, oblivious to their actual meaning - while ignoring the plain meaning of the Angel of God.

Hope this is helpful.

76 posted on 11/20/2013 9:17:06 AM PST by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: agere_contra; metmom

All believers are full of grace.

That was the job of Jesus, to secure that grace for us.


77 posted on 11/20/2013 9:21:45 AM PST by Gamecock (If you like your constitution, you can keep your constitution. Period. (M.S.))
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To: agere_contra

OK, let’s get to some basics here.

By it’s very nature, is grace deserved or undeserved?


79 posted on 11/20/2013 9:29:48 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
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To: agere_contra

Well, I thank you for the information, but I respectfully disagree.

The improtant thing is accepting the gift of Salvation from God. All else is detail, IMo


87 posted on 11/20/2013 9:51:51 AM PST by chesley
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