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Polling the Laity is Always a Bad Idea (Polling of Catholic Dioceses)
The Catholic Thing ^ | November 15, 2013 | Austin Ruse

Posted on 11/15/2013 2:28:46 PM PST by NYer

Polling is one of the great tools of modern political campaigns, and one of the banes, too.

Polls can be wildly inaccurate. Look at virtually any poll prior to any vote on same-sex marriage in the many states where it has been voted down. They uniformly showed traditional marriage would lose.  But with only one exception, traditional marriage has won, even in liberal states.

Polls rely on many intangibles that can sway the person answering: the wording of the question, the sample size, and where they are drawn from.

The results of polls are often used not to find out what people are really thinking but to sway the people in one direction or the other. A candidate down 15 percent in a series of polls can lose further support because his potential voters are thoroughly demoralized.

So why has the Church sent around a questionnaire on the hot button teachings like same-sex marriage, divorce, and contraception? Is the Church now open to changing its teaching based on the results? The mainstream media thinks so, as do progressive Catholics.

The Church is planning an Extraordinary General Assembly of the Synod of Bishops looking specficially at “Pastoral challenges of the family in the context of evangelization” to take place in October 2014. Last October 18, the Secretary General of the Synod of Bishops sent a preparatory document to the world’s bishops and to others that included a questionnaire and asked them “to share it immediately as widely as possible…so that input from local sources can be received.” 

        Let me be clear: I'm less concerned here about the intentions of the Vatican and more about the way the questionnaire is being used by progressives. Such questionnaires, seeking episcopal feedback, have been used before. And it is not clear that the Vatican has, in this case, actually asked for the participation of the laity. 

In any case, the reaction has been both swift and excited and predictable. The Democratic pressure group Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good created www.papalsurvey.com where they will gather answers and forward them to the Vatican.

The always excitable National Catholic Reporter wrote, “The Vatican has asked national bishops’ conferences around the world to conduct a wide-ranging poll of Catholics asking for their opinion on church teachings on contraception, same-sex marriage, and divorce.” They went on to announce this was the first time the Church’s hierarchy has asked for such input from grassroots Catholics since at least the establishment of the synod system.

Some dioceses have eagerly put the questionnaire up on a website called “Survey Monkey.” The Church in England and Wales has done so, as has the diocese of Broken Bay, Australia. There are probably more.

Linger over this for a minute: Survey Monkey is a public site that allows virtually anyone with an Internet connection to answer. 

I hope that rock-ribbed traditionalists are out there pushing their teams to answer, just as I am sure the progressives are doing so. I suspect some cheeky atheists are also answering, maybe Muslims, too. Why not everybody? Why not have anyone and everyone “vote” on Church teaching?

But what is this document anyway? Preparatory documents (lineamenta) are always sent out to bishops prior to a Synod and with the documents there are questions for the bishops to ponder. And bishops are urged to consult over the questions and come back with responses.

What is unclear at this time is whether they have ever asked for such a broad consultation, if that's indeed what's happening. And it's rather clear that the letter from the Vatican hasn't precisely asked for a poll of the laity. It asks for “input from local sources.” 

What the heck does that mean? For Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good, it means polling the general public, and, sad to say, it also means that for the Church in England and Wales.

But when you read the questions themselves, you are hard-pressed to figure how even a highly educated, fully catechized layman could answer them. And, it should be noted, the questions are not as much about Church teachings per se (as progressives and the media are reporting), but about how Church teachings are understood and received.

Check out the first question: “Describe how the Catholic Church’s teachings on the value of the family contained in the Bible, Gaudium et SpesFamiliaris Consortio, and other documents of the post-conciliar Magisterium is understood by people today?”

How about this one: “What place does the idea of the natural law have in the cultural areas of society: in institutions, education, academic circles, and among the people at large? What anthropological ideas underlie the discussion on the natural basis of the family?”

Does anybody think the average layman is equipped to answer such questions? My wife is a Georgetown-educated lawyer who has worked on complicated legal and policy issues her whole professional life. She would blanche at answering these questions, as most of us would.

And then there are the questions that can only cause mischief. Under same-sex relations, the only questions are about “civil unions” and the pastoral attention to people in such unions. Nothing whatsoever about the Catholic understanding that same-sex marriage is never allowed or that same-sex adoption does “violence” to the child, as the Church teaches.

And then look at how a progressive group rewrites the questions to advance their own agenda. Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good asks, “How does your parish community welcome same-sex couples and gay persons? How are they included in the life of the parish? Are they given sufficient space to be full and active members of the Church?” 

This treatment is not even in the “papal survey,” but you can see what these guys are doing. 

Finally, there is an expectations game that is profoundly dangerous. Recall the great expectations leading up the Vatican commission’s report on contraception back in the 1960s. The world knew that the Church would allow the pill. 

When Pope Paul VI bravely issued Humanae Vitae, there was a shock to the system that is still reverberating, in large measure due to thwarted expectations. One wonders what expectations are building over this “papal survey.”


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: catholic; francis; poll; pope; survey; surveymonkey; vatican
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To: ronnietherocket3
This was transmitted to the synod of bishops, i.e., the people who exercise Magisterial authority.

But, again, why was the survey submitted in the first place? Whether meant for bishops only, all Catholics only, or the general public; it is a poll concerning faith and morals, topics only the Pope is infallible on.

P.S. Who's going to tally the votes and announce the results? Will the results lead to a change in doctrine?

21 posted on 11/16/2013 4:10:40 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: NYer
Perhaps they are checking to see if their doctrine is being properly communicated to the congregation?
22 posted on 11/16/2013 4:14:28 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: livius
I think because he doesn’t want to get his information from the skewed polls of the press. He has to know what he’s up against in order to figure out the best approach.

Instead of polling about contraception, homo unions and divorce, how about a poll like this:

1.) What percentage of your churches offer perpetual adoration?

2.) What percentage of your churches offer Holy Hour of Adoration?

3.) Please list the hours allowed for Confession per week, by church?

4.) What percentage of you churches have May crownings of the Blessed Virgin?

5.) What percentage of your churches have Eucharistic processions on the Feast of Christ the King?

6.) What percentage of your churches announce upcoming Ember Days in their Sunday bulletins?

23 posted on 11/16/2013 4:33:03 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

I’m sure those questions are being asked. Pope Francis is very big on bith private devotions and public devotional acts.


24 posted on 11/16/2013 5:36:14 PM PST by livius
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To: livius
I’m sure those questions are being asked.

How can you say that? The full survey has been made public and none of those questions were asked.

25 posted on 11/16/2013 6:15:48 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: livius
Pope Francis is very big on bith private devotions and public devotional acts.

Really?

One is the Pelagian current that there is in the Church at this moment. I share with you two concerns. are some restorationist groups. I know some, it fell upon me to receive them in Buenos Aires. And one feels as if one goes back 60 years! Before the Council... One feels in 1940... An anecdote, just to illustrate this, it is not to laugh at it, I took it with respect, but it concerns me; when I was elected, I received a letter from one of these groups, and they said: "Your Holiness, we offer you this spiritual treasure: 3,525 rosaries." Why don't they say, 'we pray for you, we ask...', but this thing of counting... And these groups return to practices and to disciplines that I lived through - not you, because you are not old - to disciplines, to things that in that moment took place, but not now, they do not exist today... Pope Francis

26 posted on 11/16/2013 6:28:26 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

They weren’t on the survey but they are obviously something some office is asking bishops about, judging from what I have heard. Are you involved in any of these things in your own parish?

Does your parish do Adoration? Do you have Rosaries or devotions to the Sacred Heart or novenas? If not, make your clergy get cracking. Even my relatively liberal parish here has taken them up in a big way, particularly in the last few months since Francis has come into office. If you don’t have them, ask, and I bet you’ll get them.

Pope Francis has consistently supported public devotional practices in action and in speech, and even when he was in Argentina, he led Corpus Christi processions, devotions to Our Lady, etc.


27 posted on 11/16/2013 7:17:43 PM PST by livius
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To: livius
Are you involved in any of these things in your own parish?

Yes, all of them.

Does your parish do Adoration? Do you have Rosaries or devotions to the Sacred Heart or novenas?

Yes, to all of the above. But it's not a Novus Ordo parish; it's FSSP.

28 posted on 11/16/2013 7:27:04 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Well, good then. If Francis thinks he has had enough rosaries said for him, I will say no more for him.

Instead, I will pray my rosaries for Syrian refugees, for displaced Filipinos, for the youth of our nation, etc.

Arrogant, he is.


29 posted on 11/19/2013 2:37:42 PM PST by miserare (Sebelius is Obama's Mengele.)
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To: NYer

I’m all for polling the active, mass-attending laity. Their input is valuable. Polling CINOs or the “Easter and Xmas mass only” crowd, not so much.


30 posted on 12/02/2013 11:20:33 AM PST by steelhead_trout (MYOB)
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To: ebb tide

Actually, some lay input on appointment of bishops wouldn’t be a bad idea. Sadly, most bishops are not appointed from parish-level clergy, that is, the clergy that is closest to the laity. All too often, bishops are selected from an elite group, groomed right out of the seminary, that though they may be good holy men, have never been in the proverbial trenches as the parish priests have.


31 posted on 12/02/2013 11:23:49 AM PST by steelhead_trout (MYOB)
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