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Conservative U.S. Catholics Feel Left Out of the Pope’s Embrace [Catholic/Orthodox/SV Cauci]
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/10/us/conservative-us-catholics-feel-left-out-of-the-popes-embrace.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&hp ^

Posted on 11/10/2013 6:55:07 PM PST by ronnietherocket3

“It seems he’s focusing on bringing back the left that’s fallen away, but what about the conservatives?” said Ms. Kurt, a hospice community educator. “Even when it was discouraging working in pro-life, you always felt like Mother Teresa was on your side and the popes were encouraging you. Now I feel kind of thrown under the bus.”

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TOPICS: Catholic; Ecumenism; Ministry/Outreach; Orthodox Christian
KEYWORDS: abortion; crybabies; deathpanels; liberalliars; obamacare; pope; popefrancis; romancatholicism; zerocare
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“This woman is complaining that he’s not stroking the healthy, like the Prodigal Son’s other brother.”

NAILED IT! I found this lady to be nothing more than a whiner.


21 posted on 11/11/2013 5:04:23 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: ronnietherocket3; All

NYT? Consider the source.

The conservative Catholics who I know like him.


22 posted on 11/11/2013 5:06:04 AM PST by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless Americad)
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To: Biggirl
God has called Pope Francis to be Pope because

You're speaking for God now?

23 posted on 11/11/2013 5:10:58 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: ronnietherocket3
Matt C. Abbott, a Catholic columnist in Chicago with Renew America, a politically conservative website, said in an interview on Friday, “I wish that he could have chosen some different words, expressed himself in a different way that wouldn’t have been so easily taken out of context.”

“For orthodox and conservative Catholics,” he said, “the last few months have been a roller-coaster ride.” He added in an email, “I’m not a big fan of roller coasters.”
I agree with Matt Abbott. Popes must be very clear. Women who are desperate, those who allow the killing of their own young in the first place, need to hear (especially from the pope), that there are ways their child can be saved. If it's too late for that, they need to hear (again, starting with the pope) that they in particular can be forgiven.

Abortion is the worst evil going on in the world today, and Pope Francis surely knows this. With all the hugging of the downtrodden and/or disabled that he is doing (which is sincere and sends a clear message), maybe someday Our Papa will publicly hold [bless and embrace] an aborted child in his hands as well.
24 posted on 11/11/2013 5:27:40 AM PST by mlizzy ("If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic Adoration, abortion would be ended." --Mother Teresa)
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To: humblegunner

Why do you ask that question?


25 posted on 11/11/2013 6:24:13 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: vladimir998

BINGO! We have a WINNER!


26 posted on 11/11/2013 6:26:45 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: mlizzy

He is preaching via both by words and actions.


27 posted on 11/11/2013 6:29:51 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

You claim to know why God “called Pope Francis”.

You do not speak for the Almighty.


28 posted on 11/11/2013 6:37:33 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

Your opinion and your opinon only. You are now on my mental ignore list.


29 posted on 11/11/2013 7:38:47 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: mlizzy

Pope Franics is doing what his namesake, St. Francis hast said, “preach the gospel, and when possible, use words.”


30 posted on 11/11/2013 7:40:48 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl
Your opinion and your opinon only.

You don't speak for God. Fact, not opinion.

31 posted on 11/11/2013 7:54:37 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

......And I stand by what I say. Back on my mental ignore list.


32 posted on 11/11/2013 7:57:24 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: aquila48
“He said he had come to suspect that Francis is a “self-styled revolutionary” who wants to change the church fundamentally.”
Where have I heard that before?

You would've heard that from every Catholic and non-Catholic who hasn't been paying attention to the popes for the last umpteen years.

If those Catholics and non-Catholics HAD been paying attention they would have known that the Catholic Church hasn't changed FUNDAMENTALLY since its beginning.

33 posted on 11/11/2013 9:09:55 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: dila813
I still find it very suspicious that the last Pope resigned, the church is a very traditional institution.

Pope Benedict, Joseph Ratzinger, was very ill. Still is. He won't be around much longer. He WAS pope for eight years. Eighty-five is old for ANYone. He was born in 1927, a long time ago.

From the Internet: Pope Benedict XVI succeeded John Paul II as leader of the Catholic Church on 19 April 2005, and remained pope until his stunning resignation announcement in 2013. Born Joseph Ratzinger, the future pope was raised in Bavaria and entered seminary in 1939. His studies were interrupted in 1943 by forced service in Adolf Hitler's army, but he returned to seminary at the end of 1945.

Ratzinger was ordained in 1951 and spent much of his career as a theology professor at universities in Germany. In 1977 he was named Archbishop of Munich and Freising, and a few months later was elevated to cardinal. He became the Vatican's Prefect for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, charged with "safeguarding" church doctrine during the reign of John Paul II.

Ratzinger was known for sharing the Pope's strict adherence to traditional Catholic dogma. Ratzinger's stern and staunchly conservative approach earned him the whimsical nickname of Panzerkardinal, a reference to the World War II battle tank.

John Paul II died in April of 2005; Ratzinger presided at his funeral, and then was elected as the next pope on the second day of the traditional conclave of cardinals. Ratzinger took the papal name of Pope Benedict XVI. Eight years later, on 11 February 2013, he announced that he would resign as pope at the end of that month, saying he no longer had the strength of body and mind to "steer the boat of Saint Peter and proclaim the Gospel."

He was 85 years old when he made the announcement. Benedict XVI became the first pope to resign since Gregory XII, who stepped down in 1415 to help settle a civil war in the church.

34 posted on 11/11/2013 9:20:20 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Biggirl
Why should conservative Catholics feel left out?
God has called Pope Francis to be Pope because he is calling Catholics who have fallen away to come back to full faith observance.
Also it would not surprise me if more non-Catholics will look at coming into the Church via RCIA because of the witness to Christ and the Gospel by Pope Francis.
Conservative Catholics should rejoice instead. God Bless Pope Francis.

Well put, despite your naysayers. Also, I agree with you 100%. Boo/hiss to the naysayers...a mild, but meant, epithet.

I'm a conservative Catholic and I do NOT feel left out. In fact, I was mildly surprised at the election of an Argentinian pope. Whodda thunk?

I DO rejoice in Pope Francis. I rejoice in all those holy men who chose to go into religious life and pursue it all their lives. I sure didn't want to go into the religious--too much to give up.

35 posted on 11/11/2013 9:27:50 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: aquila48

So what is he revolutionizing?

Not anything, really. He is just calling our attention to the poor.


36 posted on 11/11/2013 9:40:30 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: mlizzy
Abortion is the worst evil going on in the world today, and Pope Francis surely knows this.

Actually, I don't think Francis does believe this about abortion. After all, he recently said:

The most serious of the evils that afflict the world these days are youth unemployment and the loneliness of the old.

37 posted on 11/11/2013 4:52:53 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
He has to understand this. The reasoning for him confusing folks in this regard is beyond me though. I've pretty much given up trying to understand, and just focus as much as I can on praying for him and the Church.
38 posted on 11/11/2013 7:01:18 PM PST by mlizzy ("If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic Adoration, abortion would be ended." --Mother Teresa)
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To: mlizzy
He has to understand this.

Why is that? Are Popes now omniscient?

39 posted on 11/11/2013 7:16:34 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

I don’t know how any Christian would not know that the worst sin in the world today is abortion. You don’t have to be God to know this.


40 posted on 11/11/2013 7:20:37 PM PST by mlizzy ("If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic Adoration, abortion would be ended." --Mother Teresa)
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