Posted on 11/02/2013 7:24:32 AM PDT by James R. Aist
I believe that it is incumbent upon born-again Christians to become well-informed about homosexuality, even though this is not a topic that is either enjoyable or entertaining to deal with. To help you get an idea of how well-informed you are, or are not, about homosexuality, I have developed this quick and easyto-use Fact Checker. It will not only show you your current level of knowledge of the facts and truth about homosexuality, but it will also point you to key resources that will correct any misperceptions that you may have picked up from the liberal media or well-meaning, albeit misinformed, friends, relatives or co-workers.
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Somebody once said “ye must be born again,” can’t quite put my finger on it but I think is was somebody important.
Over 80% of homosexuals were sexually abused as children.
Is the first “warmth of feeling” towards an attractive woman or man(same sex or opposite sex) the sin or does sin occur when one mentally starts to “peel off their clothes”?
I think if one has a good inner thought life, that first rush of ‘warmth’ should be a warning that “sin is at the door” and that one should “change the subject” mentally immediately!
God gives same-sex attractions to some people, making them homosexual.
That's a theological assertion, not a biological one. You can't disprove it by arguing that homosexual attraction isn't innate or hereditary (indeed, innate and hereditary aren't quite the same thing either, as all the recent talk about epigenetics indicates).
In any case, you can't reduce God to DNA. When people say God did something, they aren't necessarily saying that it's an unavoidable result of something material that science can identify or explain.
The only thing i can think of with out first looking up scripture is that God destroyed two cities because of men lusting after each other, i do not see any scripture of this happening because of a man and woman lusting after each other even though that has been the case since Adam and Eve.
If there were no lust between a man and woman how could we expect to multiply?
So, no i do not believe it is the same thing.
Homosexuality is an abomination, it is a sin against nature,
Just the same as worshiping idols, can anyone worship idols and believe in God at the same time?
It is not the homosexuals that bother many people, it is their Agenda which separate them from God.
What you describe in that sentence is indeed sin. But that is not the same as opposite-sex attraction. Attraction is not the problem, opposite or same. It is what the individual does with that attraction.
Why would,nt it also apply to another of the same sex?
Homo/bi/a-sexuality is a choice as we were created heterosexual.
God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.
The KJV is not the entire Bible as it was at the beginning. It has been added to and subtracted from by Luther, and then the KJ followed.
Thus, it is not necessary to commit any overt act - experiencing “lust” (sexual desire) is sufficient to speak of “sin.”
I certainly am not free from sin— Neither am I self Identified as homosexual. I am born anew—and sanctified by the blood of Jesus Christ.And when I sin— I do repent but do not continue in sin, as does one who identifies him/ her self as homosexual.
Of course it would apply. The problem is that equating attraction with lust is a category error. The kind of thing that leads to a complete denial of the worth of the human body (ala gnosticism). It is a profoundly Islamic concept that leads to things like treatment of women like a necessary evil.
You are attracted to food but the sin comes in what you do with that attraction. If it turns into an obsession and you fixate on cheeseburgers you have sinned. But simply because a cheeseburger whets your appetite it does not man you have sinned.
God created men and women and and all things beautiful. I can say that both Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt are physically attractive human beings without doing anything more than recognizing God's handiwork. But if I were to take that to the next level via lust (toward either of them), I would be sinning.
Before his conversion Saul of Tarsus said the same thing about “The Way.” As a matter of fact, The Way is made up of “born from above” regenerated in the Blood of Christ believers. Don’t take my word for it examine Acts and the epistles.
Nancy Pelosi keeps getting communion and her public statements on killing babies in the womb are clear. Yet priests keep giving her communion.
It’s OK to admire God’s handiwork but not to want to shoplift it.
I believe you are most correct. What depraved creatures of flesh are we! But there is Hope indeed! Jesus Christ!
LOL, you do try don't you? While you are into changing things around in the Bible, you may want to take a look at the DRA (Roman Catholic Bible) vs. all those Prot versions when it comes to Genesis 3:15:
Here is the DRA Roman Catholic version of Genesis 3:15:
15 I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.
Here is the KJV of Genesis 3:15:
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Who is tampering with Scriptures?
What INSPIRED Scriptures did the Prots throw out? Please don't go down the Apocrypha rabbit hole. That has been addressed many times.
Finally what does the verse quoted by the gentlemen above have to do with Luther or the Reformers. Is it your claim that the verse quoted on lust is not found in Prot Bibles or RC Bibles? Or did you just have a rainy afternoon wanting to stir the pot up a bit?
I will note, constantly changing the subject and dragging old arguments into new threads is a troll technique.
I love our 1st Amendment rights, but you continuously yell "FIRE" on every RF thread.
I might note that our good Roman Catholic friends need to look at their DRA Bible for this is what it says for John 3:3:
3 Jesus answered, and said to him: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Even in their NABRE the footnote from John 3:3 says either term can be used but the commentary writer prefers the use of "from above."
So you have stumbled on a petty, ignorant argument their own church in their own Bibles don't argue.
I fully understand what you AND Robert are saying. Let's shift to a different kind of lust. How about the repentant regenerated former adulterer. If he is continuously having sex in this mind with the pastor's wife, that dude is sinning big time. We are told in Romans 8 that God The Father continues to conform us to the image of His Son. That means transforming our minds. Will this corruptable flesh ever be perfect--no, only when He replaces the corruptable with the incorruptable at Resurrection.
So if a homosexual who is repentant and saved continues to have sex with the same sex in his mind, then he or she really needs to examine themselves as Peter and Paul tell us to do. I think that is what Robert is alluding to, but don't know for sure.
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