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Pope Joan: A Medieval Tale for Modern Women
London Student ^ | 10/21/2013 | Hannah Elsy

Posted on 10/23/2013 2:06:19 PM PDT by Alex Murphy

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Pope Joan is a medieval tale about the alleged first (and only) female Pope who rose to the top of the Vatican styling herself as ‘John’- she is devout, brave and willing to risk anything to be close to God. Prior to the start of the action, Joan has revealed her true identity to a Cardinal in the Vatican who she has slept with and is now carrying his child, obviously problematic in her desire to maintain her male disguise. Joan’s problems, therefore, are tenfold. She is not blameless in the child’s conception and does not wish to keep it, as her cover will be blown. However, by aborting the child she feels as if she would be angering God because this would be a disavowal of God’s gift to females: the ability to procreate...Crawford makes it clear that is her body that is her betrayer, and that she is torn in a fundamental dichotomy between her faith and her biology. Although her faith is stronger than any mans, her body renders this faith heretical.

Note that she didn't mind "angering God" by sleeping with the cardinal. There isn't a "fundamental dichotomy between her faith and her biology", there's one between her faith and her actions!

1 posted on 10/23/2013 2:06:20 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

Pope Joan is probably my favorite Pope.

That being said I’ll wait for the movie.


2 posted on 10/23/2013 2:09:34 PM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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To: Alex Murphy
Many is the Pope, Cardinal, Bishop, Monsignor, Prior, Abbot, and humble parish priest who had numerous offspring throughout the history of the Western Church.

The Lady Pope ... who the Vatican insists never existed ... but since then always makes sure the Pope Guy is really a guy by a very touchy-feely exam and by riding the Pope guy around on a sedan chair which has a hole cut in the bottom for re-assuring visual checks.

There is also a street in Rome uipon which no Pope will ever set foot. Legend has it this the very street where Pope Joan went into labor while in a Holy Procession and her deception was discovered!

The Romans were not pleased, to say the very least.

3 posted on 10/23/2013 2:23:43 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( "Obama, The Movie" Introducing Reggie Love as "Monica! ")
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To: Alex Murphy
Note that she didn't mind "angering God" by sleeping with the cardinal.

Nor by the lies of pretending to be male and assuming a false name.

4 posted on 10/23/2013 2:23:57 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Alex Murphy
Pope Joan is an aptly timed show, performed just as the bill to allow women bishops in Wales was passed, proof that the Church is finally accepting that the strength of your faith is irrelevant to your gender.

Your faith may be irrelevant to your sex but your role in the church certainly isn't. The bible is pretty clear that only men can be pastors and bishops.

5 posted on 10/23/2013 2:25:51 PM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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Nice that the Canadian National Youth Theatre, subsidized by Canadian taxpayers, is sponsoring this nice bit of anti-Catholic propaganda.

Same Canadan gov. which forbids Catholic hospitals to offer ANY gynecology or obstetric services, because they won't do sterilizations or abortions, or offer artificial insemination to lesbians (or anyone else.)

Same Canadian gov. which brought human rights charges against pastors who preach against homosexuality, or write a letter to the editor opposing gay marriage.

Constantly using the power of the State to influence the culture, entertaiment, and art industries to attack Christianity --- analogous to what happens in the U.S., for instance when the Museum of Modern Art (NY-tax-subsidized) hosted "P*SS CHRIST".

With additional publicity given free by anti-Christians everywhere.

But we're not supposed to take offense.

6 posted on 10/23/2013 2:37:02 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (In partibus infidelium.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

There is a small shrine there in Rome to Pope Joan.


7 posted on 10/23/2013 2:48:40 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

The fake, fictitious Pope.... shrine? What kind of religion builds shrines to dead mortal humans?


8 posted on 10/23/2013 2:49:55 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Gamecock

‘cock, anything to flout the Roman Catholic segment of Christendom? Funny thing I’ve noticed that the more vituperative the attacks on that segment get, the more the attacks SOUND like something you’d hear from them. Like the point for a Really Good Evangelical is to be more Roman Catholic than Roman Catholics.

She’d be impossible under even their rules, let alone biblical ones. “Be close” to a “God” who approves of just what? Sounds like a womyn “God” to me. No ma’am. Go back to the hell from which you came, ma’am.

Be careful, the enemy of your “enemy” isn’t always your friend.


9 posted on 10/23/2013 2:50:10 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Alex Murphy
When I was teaching the introductory course in Management at U. Dayton, one class session was devoted to managing your own career. If you don't manage it, someone else will, and you may not like it. Anyway, the advice I gave to the female students was, "Be like Margaret Thatcher and Indira Gandhi: have your family first, then become Prime Minister." I don't know how many took it, though.
10 posted on 10/23/2013 2:50:19 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney ( book, RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY, available from Amazon.)
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To: JoeFromSidney

Well, ultimately if that someone else is God, then it will turn out a blessing. Even if sometimes it is a painful blessing. A lot of modern angst is caused by systematic unfaith in God.


11 posted on 10/23/2013 2:55:00 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: GeronL

Google Pope Joan, then go to images and you will see the small shrine.


12 posted on 10/23/2013 2:55:46 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Lying and having a kid out of wedlock makes you closer to God?

and does anyone really think all this is even possible?


13 posted on 10/23/2013 2:56:25 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

“What kind of religion builds shrines to dead mortal humans?”

Statolatry that’s what.

How about those SOCIALISTS that worship the state. And I’m not talking about anything in the former USSR. I am talking about the good ole USA. Huge monuments built to former politicians, as in Lincoln and Washington, Jefferson and the others and now Martin Luther King of all people. If that ain’t idol worship, I don’t know what in the hell it is.

Going to Washington DC you think you’re back in the Roman
Empire with all those huge busts and statutes of Ceasar and any other king or emperor they had.


14 posted on 10/23/2013 3:01:07 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar; GeronL
Google Pope Joan, then go to images and you will see the small shrine.

Or you could just go to this 2011 FR thread:
When in Rome: The Legend of Papessa Giovanna

15 posted on 10/23/2013 3:03:19 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: John O
What does the Catholic Church have to do with the Bible?

And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.

16 posted on 10/23/2013 3:09:26 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: NKP_Vet

The pictures of DC bring exactly that image to mind!

Pharaoh Obama?


17 posted on 10/23/2013 3:10:24 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Alex Murphy
True story:

Two young priests were caught in England when it was against the law for there to be priests in England. They were on trial. The Anglican bishop conducting the trial began to regale the young priests about the supposed female pope that the Catholic Church had. He felt as though he had scored huge points when he asked the pair what they had to say about "Pope Joan."

One of the young priests as he sat in his chair said, "This female pope you speak of, even if it were true, which it is not - why should it bother you when you have, in reality, a female heading your church."

To which the entire jury bust out laughing. No one would vote to find the two priests guilty, so they were carted off to London where a conviction would be assured.

18 posted on 10/23/2013 3:18:47 PM PDT by Slyfox (Satan's goal is to rub out the image of God he sees in the face of every human.)
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To: Gamecock

your wait was over 4 years ago: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458455/


19 posted on 10/23/2013 3:53:20 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: GeronL
And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.

What to do with the guy who's name is after that term on my Birth Certificate?

Should he not get a card on the date-that-shall-not-be-named every June?

20 posted on 10/23/2013 3:58:46 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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