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1 posted on 10/16/2013 2:33:05 PM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 10/16/2013 2:35:26 PM PDT by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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4. If, then, the tree of peace, which we planted on German soil with the purest intention, has not brought forth the fruit, which in the interest of your people, We had fondly hoped, no one in the world who has eyes to see and ears to hear will be able to lay the blame on the Church and on her Head. The experiences of these last years have fixed responsibilities and laid bare intrigues, which from the outset only aimed at a war of extermination. In the furrows, where We tried to sow the seed of a sincere peace, other men - the "enemy" of Holy Scripture - oversowed the cockle of distrust, unrest, hatred, defamation, of a determined hostility overt or veiled, fed from many sources and wielding many tools, against Christ and His Church. They, and they alone with their accomplices, silent or vociferous, are today responsible, should the storm of religious war, instead of the rainbow of peace, blacken the German skies....

7. Take care, Venerable Brethren, that above all, faith in God, the first and irreplaceable foundation of all religion, be preserved in Germany pure and unstained. The believer in God is not he who utters the name in his speech, but he for whom this sacred word stands for a true and worthy concept of the Divinity. Whoever identifies, by pantheistic confusion, God and the universe, by either lowering God to the dimensions of the world, or raising the world to the dimensions of God, is not a believer in God. Whoever follows that so-called pre-Christian Germanic conception of substituting a dark and impersonal destiny for the personal God, denies thereby the Wisdom and Providence of God who "Reacheth from end to end mightily, and ordereth all things sweetly" (Wisdom viii. 1). Neither is he a believer in God.

8. Whoever exalts race, or the people, or the State, or a particular form of State, or the depositories of power, or any other fundamental value of the human community - however necessary and honorable be their function in worldly things - whoever raises these notions above their standard value and divinizes them to an idolatrous level, distorts and perverts an order of the world planned and created by God; he is far from the true faith in God and from the concept of life which that faith upholds.

-Pius XI, Encyclical Mit brennender Sorge

3 posted on 10/16/2013 2:42:32 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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4 posted on 10/16/2013 2:49:07 PM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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No way to know if the right thing was done or not.

IF he made a complete and genuine confession of his sins, and received the Eucharist, as SSPX states, then it would seem that he had a right to Last Rites and a funeral.

If it was still thought to be scandalous, then the funeral could have been held quietly in private.

Those are big ifs. The article also says that he never publicly repented his actions. That may or may not be true. Maybe he did not admit his wrongs at the trial, but repented later. And no way to know whether he made a good and valid confession, without a priest to testify as much.


7 posted on 10/16/2013 3:02:25 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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I would think [as best as I can, anyways] the best way to send these Nazi bastards off would be to construct a creamatoria using bits and pieces from Dachau and Auschwitz, etc, fry ‘em up and toss the ashes in a river. [Been done already.]


13 posted on 10/16/2013 3:57:02 PM PDT by W.
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I was in the Jewish quarter in Rome a few days after he was released from prison and into house arrest in 2007. There was a huge piece of graffiti on a wall that an Italian friend translated as "We do not forgive our executioners."

By the way, if anyone is ever in Rome, you have to go to one of the Jewish restaurants there. Some of the best food I had in Italy.

17 posted on 10/16/2013 4:07:25 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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In this case, the Jewish leaders should be told that this Nazi still deserves burial, and if they want for his body to be defiled, they should instead consider defiling the bodies of their Muslim enemies. Bury them in pits full of pig offal.

When they do this, then they will have the credibility to tell others to defile the dead.


18 posted on 10/16/2013 4:12:48 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Welfare is the new euphemism for Eugenics.)
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The head of Rome’s Jewish community praised protesters who blocked the funeral of a convicted Nazi war criminal as Italy marked on Wednesday the 70th anniversary of the deportation of Jews from the Rome ghetto.

This is what I don't understand. Today, he says, marks the 70th anniversary of the deportation of the residents of the Rome ghetto. But seventy years ago today Mussolini had already been removed (July 25), Italy had surrendered (September 8), and had actually joined the allies (October 13). Why would the new Allied government begin deporting Jews four days after declaring war on Germany?

37 posted on 10/16/2013 6:55:47 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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Making it illegal to deny the holocaust is such a weird law. Holocaust deniers come off as totally bonkers, might as well let them speak.


51 posted on 10/17/2013 5:46:11 AM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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Rome debates funeral for Nazi war criminal (Roman Vicariate says "No")

Nazi war criminal to get church funeral [from schismatic sect]

53 posted on 10/17/2013 7:14:16 AM PDT by SJackson (As a black man, you know, Barack could get shot going to the gas station, Michelle on Chicago)
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Maybe Mel Gibson will make an appearance.


62 posted on 10/17/2013 11:04:33 AM PDT by familyop
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There are about as many Jewish people in Italy as in Iran.


64 posted on 10/17/2013 12:29:05 PM PDT by familyop
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